The Central Flaw of Evolution

My point is that dinosaurs didnt evolved into birds. Also I was asking about the evolution my second link quoted.

 

The term "Dinosaur" encompasses a great many creatures, some of which were small with pre-feathers and others huge with scales/Skin. They cover many millions of years and much environmental change. It is extremely likely (judging by fossil evidence), that modern birds are the result of a few of the little guys evolving.

 

Okay this is enough unless critics are ready to pose a validated scientific theory to compete with evolution then shut up. Seriously the only way we will consider other options is to look at the evidence between Evolution and the New Theory and after studying both consider the new one a better explanation for the development of life on Earth using the same evidence base.

I can nitpick lots of theories for example the Theory of Gravity breaks down at the event horizon of a Black Hole we have a good idea what should happen inside but the gravity warps so greatly how it works inside one is still unsure but the Theory otherwise outside isolated instances works.

The Theory of Evolution is better understood than that we know it happens, okay how it functions isn't fully understood but it does happen we have fossil evidence, we have genetic analysis of species at stages of evolution showing mutation changes an exciting new field of inquiry and geological comparisons on fossils to the fossil record.

I dare you critics instead of picking isolated mysteries or things we admit as supporters of the theory are a bit of a mystery we are clearly working on to propose something better until you do please shut up.

 

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GOD DID IT!

 

OMG. given your demonstrated command of science, I think I'll take the expert word of literally thousands of archeologists over your ridiculous conclusion that Archeopteryx was a bird.

Who knew that a young man from florida could turn the entire world of archaeology and biology on its head with such a simple declaration. Watch in the mail, a Nobel prize for science is surely on its way to you.

 

It is unkind to make fun of the mentally challenged......but, sure is fun sometimes.

 

Right back at ya. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I'm wrong.

 

True...it is the inability to understand or produce factual data that makes you so terribly and pathetically wrong.

 

Evidence from a reputable (not creationist) site?

 

They cite from either the secular scientists themselves or from creationist scientists in the the field.

 

Whatever you say...it must be true.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/07/140724-feathered-siberia-dinosaur-scales-science/

 

Creation Science is an oxymoron.
It only attempts to prove an idea by whatever evidence it can find(even if the evidence doesn't actually support it) and ignores or excuses any evidence against it. Real science doesn't make excuses for evidence.

 

Credible yes, but Aurornis xui is not a modern bird.

The scientists who wrote the original paper, yes. The guy at Answers in Genesis who wrote the article, definitely not. Here is a different take on Quick & Ruben (2009) you might want to read.

http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/06/08/birds-come-first-hypothesis/#comment-12898

 

Here's another link showing that archeaoptyrx is a pure bird.

http://en.harunyahya.net/archaeopteryx-darwins-theory-of-evolution/

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I'd say you just described evolution.

 

If I'm not mistaken most if not all of the "feathered" dinosaurs comes from China (along with the fossils in your link). Chinese working for pennies on the hour can and have made fakes such as microraptor. Also the soil there could make the scales look like feathers as my links on this show.

 

LOL
Harun Yahya/Yoyo is a Turkish Islamic Creationist.
"Jerry al-Falwell."
I've seen him cited on many Islamic/Arab boards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Oktar

Adnan Oktar (February 1956), also known as Harun Yahya,[1] is a Turkish author as well as an Islamic creationist.[2] In 2007, he sent thousands of unsolicited copies of his book, The Atlas of Creation,[3] which advocates Islamic creationism, to American scientists, members of Congress, and science museums.[4]

In more recent years, Adnan Oktar has been known for his Televangelism on his TV channel, A9 TV, noted especially for featuring 'kittens', his female devotees.[6] His organization is commonly referred to as a cult,[7] and he has been described as the "most notorious cult leader in Turkey."[8] Oktar filed more than 5000 lawsuits against individuals for defamation in the last decade,[9] and led to blocking of a number of prominent websites in Turkey.
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Conspiracy theories

Oktar propagates a number of conspiracy theories, beginning with his 1986 Yahudilik ve Masonluk (Judaism and Freemasonry). The book suggests that the principal mission of Jews and Freemasons in Turkey was to erode the spiritual, religious, and moral values of the Turkish people and, thus, make them like animals, as stated in what Oktar refers to as their use of "Distorted Torah."[13][49]
Oktar asserts that "the materialist standpoint, evolution theory, anti-religious and immoral lifestyles were indoctrinated to the society as a whole" by Jews and Freemasons.[13]

His theory of a global conspiracy of Freemasonry is expounded in his book Global Masonluk (English Global Freemasonry) and on his websites Masonluk[50] and Global Freemasonry.[51] According to Oktar, Freemasonry is "the main architect of the world system based on materialist philosophy, but which keeps that true identity concealed."[51] Oktar called the theory of evolution a Masonic conspiracy initiated by the Rosicrucians.

Oktar's recent publications declare Darwinism and Materialism to be conspiracies responsible for anti-semitism and terrorism.[11][52] In recent publications and interviews (since 2004[53]), Oktar qualifies his condemnations of Zionism and Freemasonry by adding the word atheist before them, as in atheist Zionists[54] and atheist Freemasons.[55]

Holocaust denial and affirmation
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ALL Your posts are one-line JOKES.
ALL Your Links are JOKES.
ALL Your 'debate' is a JOKE.
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I'd say I've lost count how many times creationist nonsense has been debunked in this forum.

 

It is obvious you either did not read or could not comprehend the link.

 

The author Adnan Oktar? Really? Islamic creationists are even less credible that Christian creationists. You really need to learn how to pick your sources.

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Now you're just getting desperate.

 

Then cite the secular scientists directly, instead of the biased quotes from the creationists. Creationist scientists, in my observation, tend to be frauds and liars.

 

As promised, here are a couple of peer reviewed articles that fit into this discussion. Both discuss how the ToE itself evolved and how it is not just understood but actually applied today. Evolution is easiest to see in bacteria and viruses because they reproduce and mutate so quickly and therefore evolve quickly. It's impossible at this point to personally observe most evolution because it takes millions of years. These papers talk about scientists ability to not just watch evolution happen in bacteria and viruses, but also predict it and at times affect it. That helps create vaccines and medicines to combat species that evolve and mutate constantly.

Bull, J. and Wichman, H. (2001). Applied Evolution. Annual Review of Ecological Systems. Retrieved from https://users.cs.duke.edu/~reif/tem...olution/-annurev.ecolsys.32.081501.114020.pdf

Kutschera, U. and Niklas, K. (2004). The modern theory of biological evolution: an expanded synthesis. Cornell University. Retrieved from wallacefund.info/sites/wallacefund.info/files/Kutschera+Niklas%201.pdf

 

A 5 minute video explaining the five ways evolution occurs can be found here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NdMnlt2keE

The key is that evolution simply means change over time.

 

But, but, but...KINDS!

 

I believe for most creationists its simply a demonstration of "grasping at straws". They have no actual clue of how science works nor even the psuedo science garbage they lap up because they have to back fill their conclusions and the nonsense of creation science fits the bill perfectly for them.

Such intransigent ignorance is the bane of civilization and the advancement of our knowledge..

 

Here's some.

http://scienceagainstevolution.org/v5i10f.htm

http://honradeus.com/argumentCenter...cular-scientists-against-evolution?format=pdf