The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

Pot meet kettle.

 

Just answer the question. Are you against industry? I hear the slamming of anything that is any variation of the status quo.

 

It's happening now.

AA

 

When will the next ice age occur ?? And please account for the heat of fusion in your estimate.

 

Which hypothesis is happening now?

 

OK...no more busting my balls for an mistake!! LOL!!

CH4 is bubbling up in gas form from all of Earth's oceans and from Arctic Lakes and Permafrost.

AA

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This is causing the Earth to warm up even more and we already have desalinization occurring to the point we are staling some ocean heat transference currents.

AA

 

How much has the water at the bottom of the globe's ocean and arctic lakes risen in the last 50 years ??

 

What??

You mean how much higher have ocean sea levels risen due to Polar and Greenland ice melt.

AA

 

Typo above - it should have read "How much has the temperature of the water at the bottom of the globe's ocean and arctic lakes risen in the last 50 years ??"

The only way that the CH4 will be released at a higher rate is for the temperature at the bottom of the oceans to increase. Actually the slight increase in eas level (rate ~ 1 ft per century) increases the pressure very slightly which reduces this rate.

That's what.

 

Gel Form CH4 not only exists at the very deepest levels of the ocean but also exists in shallow areas as well.

In shallow areas in the Bermuda Triangle area near the islands CH4 has been seen bubbling out in massive amounts by passing boats and ships.

And it does not take much as far as Temp increase to turn it into CH4 Gas.

AA

 

How much is in the shallow areas ?? How deep are the shallow areas ?? And how much has the temperature of these shallow areas risen in the last 50 years ?? How many boats and ships have seen these massive emissions bubbling up episodes ?? Are they continuous or intermittent ?? How much temp increase does it take for gaseous CH4 to be emitted from these gels ?? What is the composition of these gels ??

 

Here you go.


LINK....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate


Recent estimates constrained by direct sampling suggest the global inventory occupies between 1×1015and 5×1015 m³ (0.24 to 1.2 million cubic miles).[18] This estimate, corresponding to 500-2500 gigatonnes carbon (Gt C), is smaller than the 5000 Gt C estimated for all other geo-organic fuel reserves but substantially larger than the ~230 Gt C estimated for other natural gas sources.[18][20] The permafrost reservoir has been estimated at about 400 Gt C in the Arctic,[21][citation needed] but no estimates have been made of possible Antarctic reservoirs. These are large amounts. In comparison, the total carbon in the atmosphere is around 800 gigatons

AA

 

That doesn't answer my questions. Surely as a champion of the CH4 gel hypothesis you can easily answer those basic questions.

 

Precisely why this AboveNobody was one of the first individuals placed on my Ignore List. He simply is not worth reading. Some people never comment without subtracting from the sum total of human knowledge. Ignore them all.

 

am I against industry? Really, you're asking me that? You want to shut down our energy resources and you think I'm against industry? Why would you get that impression from me. Nope is my answer. Same question back at ya!

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what is happening?

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no evidence to back that post. you lose.

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OMG again with you. How does polar ice outside Greenland cause any rise in sea level? And where is Greenland melting? You have evidence?

 

I am not against industry and I don't speak against it. I am for.... listen carefully... putting carbon back in the soil where it belongs. I am for the restoration of dryland and desert reclamation. I am for the expantion of woodland and forest. I am for wetland restoration. I am for no till. I firmly believe that a worldwide effort to restore productive land man has destroyed is our best chance to curb global warming.

 

What are you talking about??

It answers all your questions!!

Read what is in the link!

AA

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The best members we have here are on your ignore list so it is an HONOR I am listed FIRST!!

LOL!!

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Did you actually just ask this????

AA

 

Disappointing - I thought the king of clathrates would dazzle us all with knowledge of the mechanisms and temperature dependency of the molecular crystal trapping phenomena. I guess the king has no clothes ??

 

i noticed you didn't answer, so I'll take that as no you have no evidence of 20 ppm of CO2 affecting temperature or weather. Thanks, I didn't think so.

 

The nonsense prattled by Global Warmists is stupefying. They throw anything and everything up against the wall, praying that some of it will stick to gullible minds. The bottom line is that anthropogenic carbon dioxide is trivial, absolutely trivial, as evidenced by an accurate, scaled graph of just two greenhouse gases. That, in just a moment, after this intentionally misleading Keeling Curve, or as I call it, "Scary Graph":



Oh my! Just LOOK at how steep it is. Oooooweeee. Scary.

Now the reality:

Water vapor + carbon dioxide at top, 15,500 ppm, and anthropogenic carbon dioxide alone at the bottom red line:
(Human caused CO2 is less than 4% of the total annual increase, which itself is a paltry 1.3 parts per MILLION!)



There's something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. - Mark Twain, anticipating of course the global warming fraud

 

The King is answering questions on at least 25 other topics all at the same time so give me a bit OK?

AA

 

LINK....http://cdiac.ornl.gov/

Current PPM of CO2 in our atmosphere is over 400 PPM.

Look at the chart at the top of the linked page.

CO2 has gone from about 305 PPM around 1960 to now 403.94 PPM as of today.

That's an increase of approx. 100 PPM since 1960.

Now look in this website the Global Temp. Anomaly or average global Temp. increase.....it is at an increase of 1.55 Degrees F.

Do you have ANY IDEA the amount of energy existing in our atmosphere that is responsible for a 1.55 Degree F. temp increase?????

AA

 

Well for one we have a very short period of actual direct CO2 measurements and rely on proxy data for previous periods that may not show short term variability. For instance, CO2 may be rising from warming too. Second the only sources of energy are the sun and to a lesser extent the Earth itself. The largest factor in climate variability are the oceans as shown by 2015 as the warmest year due to the El Niño and it is well understood that the oceans are warmed by solar energy. We may be going into a cooler period if it switches to a strong La Niña along with the slowing activity of the sun which past record shows a strong influence on warming and cooling. The AGW hypothesis is not falsifiable so every anecdotal weather change is attributed to AGW.

 

Well, Mr. WahWah, a few more question marks would REALLY have strengthened your point, wouldn't they ! ! !

Do YOU, Mr. WahWah, have any idea of how trivial the specific heat of air is compared to that of ocean water?

Warming effects correlate very well with sunspot number, as Hoosier so wisely cited.
Carbon dioxide increases with temperature, due to decomposition in soil. The correlation coefficient is .93. Temperature raises CO2, not the reverse.
But please, sell your car, don't take any more vacations, never again use air conditioning, no more hot showers. Live the life of the Unabomer, who fled to his rathole cabin, and reread Al Gore's book, Earth in the Balance , countless times. Good old Ted Kaczynski was a real environmentalist, complete with mailing package bombs to kill people he hated. Smart too! Gosh was Ted smart. Berkeley math professor and such. See being smart doesn't make you right or wise, though liberals always pretend otherwise.

 

Your post shows me as the author and not whoever it is supposed to be.