The Cold War with China

So, we've seen the tactic before. Sudden, destabilizing demonstrations used to destabilize foreign governments. Sometimes it even works.

When the Sec of State suggests that the US supports the protesters of a foreign nation, what does that really mean? Does Blinkin really think that the Chinese won't take this as an affront, or possibly an active measure the Biden administration is deploying within China?

Now that the nuclear war in the Ukraine has been effectively avoided for now, is this the new war Biden wants to start?

 

So are you suggesting that the protests in China are being driven by something other than the internal issues in China?

 

We've always been in a cold war with China, it's just that it's only been since Trump that we began to engage the war they have always been engaged in.

We tend to have an idealistic foreign policy where we believe our goodness and niceness to our enemies will convert them to friendship. When they are using our good nature to defeat us, that has to be recognized and responded to. They are simply pursuing their national interests first and we need to do the same.

They are using our trade surplus to build a military capable of killing our military folks and throwing us out of the Eastern Pacific. We also need to move all of our military supply chain onshore. In Ukraine at one point they were blowing through 6-7,000 missiles a day, of a type that we only produce at a rate of 15,000 a month.

 

It has happened before. Can these protests be as organic as some would like us to perceive them, or are they more examples of astroturf being driven by the Biden administration?

The real question, I think, is what happens as the US endorses these protests, even if we have no part in their organization. Do we (The US) still then bear a responsibility for our support of them? Would we, for example, tolerate say China, endorsing internal US protests ie ANTIFA/BLM?

The essential ask on the thread is to evaluate the outcomes. What happens? Does this Biden administration really believe that the only winning strategy for the 24 election to be active war with China?

 

Chinese citizens fed up with and thus protesting Xi's "zero-COVID" policy is a tactic by China to destabilize foreign governments? What?
Blinkin announcing support for said protesters is an active measure the Biden administration is deploying within China? What?

I get the feeling that nonsense is just a nonsensical prelude to the nonsense you wanted to get to all along. Suggesting Biden wants war with China.........after he just met with Xi to calm the waters.

 

So was China responsible for the anti-lockdown protests in the US and Canada?

The lockdown measures being protested in those countries were insignificant compared to what has been going on in China for years.

 

LOL.. I appreciate how hard you had to work to write something so amazingly off point. It takes a talent. So, no where was it written that the protests in China are designed to destabilize "foreign governments' that's your invention. So why reply then? Just to try to derail the thread?

I get you won't tolerate anyone suggesting Biden is the war monger that he actually is, but the evidence does indicate that he is, and it really seems interesting that his loyalists, like you are so eager to try the "only nonsense"... line. It's actually funny to see you take this so suddenly personally though. Do you have another explanation? Do you believe that Biden "calming the water" as you suggested was effective? Do you have any actual evidence then of this?

 

Were they? Do you have any evidence of that? So, in your estimation, these protests are organic then?

 

One day Biden is weak and the world is running over him.

The next day, he is a warmonger promoting instability across the globe so he can start WWIII.

As consistent as Kanye on a bad day.

 

Biden administration reacts with caution to China protests

The Biden administration is responding cautiously to weekend protests across China, reflecting in part a U.S. desire to stabilize a vital but increasingly adversarial relationship with Beijing.

There were no statements or tweets on the protests from President Joe Biden, who met with Chinese leader Xi Jinping this month on the sidelines of the G-20 in a bid to ease tensions. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and national security adviser Jake Sullivan also avoided comment, and their official spokespersons didn’t issue any statements by name.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/28/biden-administration-china-protests-zero-covid-00070924

What did Blinkin say?

 

Were they what? Were the covid measures in Canada and the US insignificant compared to China? I do not need to provide evidence of that.

Yes, the protests in China were not instigated by any outside actor. They are tired of being literally locked inside their homes. The lockdown in China is an actual lockdown, not like what we had in the west.

 

One might say it's "old man bad" syndrome.

 

Or maybe, he's so weak, his only option is to start a war to distract folks from just how weak and feckless he really is. Does your citation of Kanye here indicate a racist bent you likely shouldn't have entered?

 

Hmm.. so you have proof then for your proclamation. Not instigated by an outside actor. So you can provide a citation that backs your assertion up?

 

Yes.

Proud, Scared and Conflicted. What the China Protesters Told Me.

They went to their first demonstrations. They chanted their first protest slogans. They had their first encounters with the police.

Then they went home, shivering in disbelief at how they had challenged the most powerful authoritarian government in the world and the most iron-fisted leader China has seen in decades.

Young Chinese are protesting the country’s harsh “zero-Covid” policy and even urging its top leader, Xi Jinping, to step down. It’s something China hasn’t seen since 1989, when the ruling Communist Party brutally cracked down on the pro-democracy demonstrators, mostly college students. No matter what happens in the days and weeks ahead, the young protesters presented a new threat to the rule of Mr. Xi, who has eliminated his political opponents and cracked down on any voice that challenges his rule.

Such public dissent was unimaginable until a few days ago. These same young people, when they mentioned Mr. Xi online, used euphemisms like “X,” “he” or “that person,” afraid to even utter the president’s name. They put up with whatever the government put them through: harsh pandemic restrictions, high unemployment rates, fewer books available to read, movies to watch and games to play.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/29/business/china-protesters.html

You think Xi wants protests? You did notice some of them are being arrested, right?

 

I believe Obama said it best.... "Never count out Joe's ability to F it up"...

 

Paywall. And frankly, the NYTs doesn't have the best reputation anymore. Next?

 

You are asking me to prove they aren't instigated by an outside actor?

I'm not sure you understand how evidence works.

 

LOL.. No I do actually. And I simply asked if you could validate your assertion which you cannot. Thanks for playing.

 

I would fault Biden for exactly the opposite. The U.S. has always stood for Democracy and Human Rights in the world. This was a known entity in EVERY international effort. And even if not consistent upon close analysis, it has always been the OFFICIAL position of the U.S.. This was true under JFK, Nixon, Reagan, Obama... Every President except Trump. So why would we let Trump dictate a change of policy.

Biden should be publicly acknowledging this, like every President who believes in democracy (Trump being the only one who didn't) we have had.

 

Can you prove unicorns don't exist?

 

I pasted as much of it as allowed. The gist being clear. These protesters risked a lot by taking to the streets but had reached their limit in suffering from Xi's policies. What evidence can you offer they were not organic but rather orchestrated by the government?

 

Example of what caused Biden’s inflation;

Headline; China’s zero-covid policy is affecting global supply chains

Biden’s fault? Damn right it is!

 

What is a Unicorn?

Is this a Unicorn?


is this a unicorn?


What is a unicorn then?

 

https://warroom.armywarcollege.edu/articles/new-cold-war/

An interesting read.