The cost of party ideology.

[Qouting myself from another source:]

"A study* has determined the excess of Covid deaths attributable to the political party to which people belong. The disparity is attributed to the relative vaccination rates. Sadly, there are still many people in the United States who are as yet unvaccinated. They form a cohort with a higher potential for COVID-19 death going forward.

"Regards, stay safe 'n well.

"* Ref: https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/...san-lines-after-covid-19-vaccines-introduced/"

 

A study* has determined......

 

It’s not a formal study. It’s a working paper which means it is not peer reviewed. As it was from September of 2022 and still not published in a peer reviewed journal it likely is too flawed to pass review.

Just a cursory glance and I see it did not use individual vaccination records, it just inferred conclusions from county vaccination rates compared to voter registration data from the only two states in the nation who allowed the data to be released (Florida and Ohio).

I’m not sure why the OP is trying to pass it off as a legitimate study.

 

Normally, deaths due to political ideologies are caused by war or assassinations. It's rare for disease to be the vector. Yet, it appears that it is, in this instance.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

The same general conclusion can be derived through number-crunching of data from two current sources:

US Coronavirus vaccine tracker | USAFacts

United States: COVID-19 weekly death rate by vaccination status, All ages (ourworldindata.org)

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

Question - would you agree that it was mostly folks on the Right who were anti vax? If so, and the majority of deaths occurring after the vax was available, would it not follow that those deaths were higher on the Right?

I understand it isn't scientific or a formal study. I simply want to understand your views of the folks who were, for the most part, anti vax.

 

Define anti vax.

 

I guess your definition doesn’t really matter. I think I know what you mean—republicans had lower vaccination rates than Democrats on average.

Sure, the premise is possible. If it was compelling I believe the working paper would have been developed and published in a reputable journal.

It’s also possible the conservative aged retired population in FL skewed the mortality data. It’s hard to adjust for those things when complete data from only two states exists.

And this thing isn’t over yet. We now are seeing evidence from peer reviewed studies the number of vaccinations received is positively correlated with risk of infection. It’s possible mortality in the vaccinated may exceed that of those with natural immunity only in the future.

It’s an interesting theory, but that’s about it.

 

Well we do know - as of year end 2021 - the death rate among unvaccinated is 5 times higher than vaccinated. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination That's a worldwide statistic - but shouldn't the US be in line with that?

 

Israel reported 0 Covid deaths under 50. So, if the vaccine can kill you (ie young people in record numbers dropping dead of heart attacks) and you are under 50? That makes the shot more dangerous to you than not taking it.
Hard to tell what is what as we've had medical doctors admit they were under orders to manipulate data. Will we ever know who died of Covid vs died WITH Covid?

 

I’m not trying to be rude but I suggest reading more than just catchy tag lines in articles. From your link.

I don’t base my beliefs or posts on made up numbers. But I agree with your point. The unvaccinated death rate at the end of 2021 in the US was actually about 10 times that of vaccinated. Currently US numbers are 4.? (Not sure but under 5) times greater for unvaccinated.

I honestly don’t know the US rates currently. Just that the discrepancy is narrowing and both rates are very low.

I don’t know how much you remember about my posting during covid but I was advocating for both non vaccine mitigation and vaccination in April of 2020 when vaccines were just a hope.

I never advocated against vaccination. I did begin to advocate against creating what you call anti vaxxers in August of 2020 months before rollout of vaccines.

Above I said in August 2020 a vaccine would have to sell me on its merits. Initially, based on the best available information it did. I spent hours trying to convince people the vaccines were effective at preventing infections. Here is one example from August 2021.

Unfortunately the efficacy of vaccines were overestimated based on failure to account for other mitigations like masking etc. that helped keep infection rates down early. Also, new variants were very good at evading first prevention of infection and then protection from severe disease as well, although to a much lesser degree thankfully. As someone who understood health metrics (like the exercise post from April 2020) are the best mitigation against infectious disease the vaccination only route began really bothering me. I started warning people vaccination alone was no guarantee and there were many other protective measures available.

Like this thread I created in November of 2021.

Like this post in January of 2022.

Nearing character limit…. to be continued.

 

Of course providing information from peer reviewed studies showing there were other mitigations based on health that were as effective or more so than vaccination ticked a lot of people off. When anyone says anything that can be construed as a criticism of vaccine efficacy they are now labeled anti vax. But I’ve continued trying to provide ACCURATE information people can use to be as healthy as possible, not attempt to be popular with either tribe. I piss both tribes off because I just post inconvenient facts I guess.

In October 2021 I began introducing the concept of reduced efficacy of vaccination with multiple annual doses we see with influenza vaccines. I became concerned the only annual vaccine we have data on exhibits this phenomenon. I was clear there was no evidence at the time this would happen with Covid vaccines but wanted people to be aware of the possibility.

Unfortunately, we are starting to see higher infection rates in those with the most doses of Covid vaccine received.

In conclusion, I’m not opposed to Covid vaccines. I acknowledge one can protect themselves against Covid as effectively with lifestyle choices as with vaccination when compared head to head. I acknowledge for those unwilling to be healthy vaccination is certainly the next best thing. For many people both is wise. Depending on how the decreased efficacy thing mirrors or doesn’t mirror influenza vaccine decreased efficacy it may be wise to save vaccination for old age when needed most. That’s yet to be seen.

But vaccine hesitancy or anti vaxxers are a phenomenon I warned about. Unfortunately my advice was not taken (why would it be, I’m just a farmer with knowledge of virology and epidemiology) and a big class of anti vaxxers was created that didn’t have to be. Too many lies were told. Too many to list here unless you are further interested. As I predicted, public health just wouldn’t be trusted with vaccines if lies were told and things weren’t transparent.

I posted this several times to explain why conspiracy theories flourish.

Covid vaccines are good. Not as good as hoped. But just about as good as I predicted. Vaccines don’t guarantee health. There are many other effective ways to prevent infection and severe disease. We CREATED anti vaxxers by doing what I advised against doing months before they were available. We must all live with the consequences.

 

There is in fact data can show and has shown who has died directly as a result of a reaction to the Covid 19 vaccine and why you pretend it does not exist is anyone's guess, i.e.,

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/tran...ccineinjuryandexcessdeathsbyvaccinationstatus

Your response shows you do not understand what you assume is fact.

 

Why would what you link matter if we both already know the people pushing the covid response hoax are already willing and HAVE already manipulated data to fit their narrative?

What I know is that MSNBC reported a story about a new center of COVID DEATH! and the picture girl they show cased was a 95 year old woman that died of Covid in a retirement community that did have a number of octogenarian deaths from the bug. Why was that a story? A 95 year old woman dying from a bug isn't one.

If this wasn't a manipulative hoax, they would have had much more compelling subject. That they didn't should tell us all we need to know.

EDIT: OK, took a look at your link. What a load of horse %#$#

 

Pssssst. Covid is no longer deadly. There is a good argument that it didn't actually kill anybody but that many old people died "while testing positive for covid". It is now endemic. Getting a vaccine would for it now would be a risk not worth taking. IT'S OVER.

 

Hi, fmw.

FYI: Although numbers continue to decline, the coronavirus pandemic isn't over yet (msn.com)

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

MSN is incorrect. Sorry.