The COVID-19 RT-PCR Test: How to Mislead All Humanity. Using a “Test” To Lock Down Society

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  1. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

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    Just read this article that originally came out in November and has apparently been updated recently. I was definitely surprised. I would have thought that surely, they couldn't be doing this. But then I thought how little people know about these PCR Tests and thought, actually makes sense. Constructive feedback welcome.

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    Introduction: using a technique to lock down society

    All current propaganda on the COVID-19 pandemic is based on an assumption that is considered obvious, true and no longer questioned:

    Positive RT-PCR test means being sick with COVID. This assumption is misleading.

    Very few people, including doctors, understand how a PCR test works.

    RT-PCR means Real Time-Polymerase Chain Reaction.

    In French, it means: Réaction de Polymérisation en Chaîne en Temps Réel.

    In medicine, we use this tool mainly to diagnose a viral infection.

    Starting from a clinical situation with the presence or absence of particular symptoms in a patient, we consider different diagnoses based on tests.

    In the case of certain infections, particularly viral infections, we use the RT-PCR technique to confirm a diagnostic hypothesis suggested by a clinical picture.

    We do not routinely perform RT-PCR on any patient who is overheated, coughing or has an inflammatory syndrome!

    It is a laboratory, molecular biology technique of gene amplification because it looks for gene traces (DNA or RNA) by amplifying them.

    In addition to medicine, other fields of application are genetics, research, industry and forensics.

    The technique is carried out in a specialized laboratory, it cannot be done in any laboratory, even a hospital. This entails a certain cost, and a delay sometimes of several days between the sample and the result.

    Today, since the emergence of the new disease called COVID-19 (COrona VIrus Disease-2019), the RT-PCR diagnostic technique is used to define positive cases, confirmed as SARS-CoV-2 (coronavirus responsible for the new acute respiratory distress syndrome called COVID-19).

    These positive cases are assimilated to COVID-19 cases, some of whom are hospitalized or even admitted to intensive care units.

    Official postulate of our managers: positive RT-PCR cases = COVID-19 patients. [1]

    This is the starting postulate, the premise of all official propaganda, which justifies all restrictive government measures: isolation, confinement, quarantine, mandatory masks, color codes by country and travel bans, tracking, social distances in companies, stores and even, even more importantly, in schools [2].

    This misuse of RT-PCR technique is used as a relentless and intentional strategy by some governments, supported by scientific safety councils and by the dominant media, to justify excessive measures such as the violation of a large number of constitutional rights, the destruction of the economy with the bankruptcy of entire active sectors of society, the degradation of living conditions for a large number of ordinary citizens, under the pretext of a pandemic based on a number of positive RT-PCR tests, and not on a real number of patients.
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    Full article:
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid...ity-using-a-test-to-lock-down-society/5728483
     
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    My old misleading friends - global research :roll:

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    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/global-research/
     
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    For those that are trying to get what the OP is saying is that we're getting a lot of false positives because we're looking for a key to fit a lock. Which is a stupid argument because while yes, there are false positives, the tests are working. We can figure out who has COVID using these tests. That's how contact tracing functions.
     
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    No, not what the OP is saying. To be fair, I only quoted the introduction to the article. All the introduction to the article is saying is that the PCR Tests are giving misleading results, but it doesn't really get into why. To find -that- out, you have to read a good portion of the rest of the article. I'll cut to the chase, since you clearly didn't read the whole article:
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    In thecase of an infectious disease, especially a viral one, the notion of contagiousness is another important element.

    Since some scientific circles consider that an asymptomatic person can transmit the virus, they believe it is important to test for the presence of virus, even if the person is asymptomatic, thus extending the indication of RT-PCR to everyone.

    Are RT-PCR tests good tests for contagiousness? [17]

    This question brings us back to the notion of viral load and therefore Ct.

    The relationship between contagiousness and viral load is disputed by some people [18] and no formal proof, to date, allows us to make a decision.

    However, common sense gives obvious credence to the notion that the more virus a person has inside him or her, especially in the upper airways (oropharynx and nasopharynx), with symptoms such as coughing and sneezing, the higher the risk of contagiousness, proportional to the viral load and the importance of the person’s symptoms.

    This is called common sense, and although modern medicine has benefited greatly from the contribution of science through statistics and Evidence-Based Medicine (EBM), it is still based primarily on common sense, experience and empiricism.

    Medicine is the art of healing.

    No test measures the amount of virus in the sample!

    RT-PCR is qualitative: positive (presence of the virus) or negative (absence of the virus).

    This notion of quantity, therefore of viral load, can be estimated indirectly by the number of amplification cycles (Ct) used to highlight the virus sought.

    The lower the Ct used to detect the virus fragment, the higher the viral load is considered to be (high).

    The higher the Ct used to detect the virus fragment, the lower the viral load is considered to be (low).

    Thus, the French National Reference Centre (CNR), in the acute phase of the pandemic, estimated that the peak of viral shedding occurred at the onset of symptoms, with an amount of virus corresponding to approximately 108 (100 million) copies of SARS-CoV-2 viral RNA on average (French COVID-19 cohort data) with a variable duration of shedding in the upper airways (from 5 days to more than 5 weeks) [19].

    This number of 108 (100 million) copies/μl corresponds to a very low Ct.

    A Ct of 32 corresponds to 10-15 copies/μl.

    A Ct of 35 corresponds to about 1 copy/μl.

    Above Ct 35, it becomes impossible to isolate a complete virus sequence and culture it!

    In France and in most countries, Ct levels above 35, even 40, are still used even today!

    The French Society of Microbiology (SFM) issued an opinion on September 25, 2020 in which it does not recommend quantitative results, and it recommends to make positive up to a Ct of 37 for a single gene [20]!

    With 1 copy/μl of a sample (Ct 35), without cough, without symptoms, one can understand why all these doctors and scientists say that a positive RT-PCR test means nothing, nothing at all in terms of medicine and clinic!
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    MIT ran a study on asymptomatic people using a Ct of 40 (our standard) and found 90 out of 156,000 as positives.
    Was my PCR test result a false positive? | MIT Medical
     
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    So what you're saying is... false positives.
     
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    Not quite. It's like the difference between someone who's dying of the flu and someone who's got the sniffles. The test treats everyone the same.
     
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    Well, that’s the problem. We only find about 50% of infected individuals with a single test. Even testing at the optimal time past symptom onset in symptomatic infected test subjects, we can get 20% false negatives. False positives make the news, but the biggest failing of RT-PCR testing is false negatives. The failure to identify positive/contagious individuals is a major driver of the pandemic. Politicizing testing has resulted in the belief there is more value in testing than there actually is. It’s just another false premise you’ve been conditioned to accept without question. You’ve been told you are following science and experts, but you aren’t because you have been kept in the dark on facts like I’ve presented above.
     
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    The main problem isn't actually false positives and false negatives. It's seeing things in black and white- positive or negative. The body is constantly dealing with pathogenic threats. What we should be doing is -quantifying- the threat and that can be done with PCR tests, by determining the viral load. We shouldn't treat someone who was sneezed on and got a few covid viruses up their nose the same as someone who is bed ridden from it. We are paralyzing a huge chunk of our society because we have stopped focusing on keeping our bodies healthy by proper nutrition and not stressing ourselves out too much and are instead relying on drugs and these noxious vaccines.
     
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    It is true RT-PCR being used today is not good at determining viral load. Not only is it not good at determining viral load, it does not tell us anything about the viability of the detected RNA. A contagious individual shedding large amounts of culturable virus is indistinguishable from a non contagious convalescent individual shedding only non viable RNA fragments.

    However, from a contact tracing perspective, (ignoring the ethical problem of quarantining individuals shedding non viable RNA), the biggest failure of RT-PCR is the 50% false negative rate.
     
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    So you’re saying and I quote... false positives.

    Sure that’s more than fine as criticism. That can be a problem with testing. But that doesn’t mean the testing doesn’t work. It still works, we just have to keep in mind that one test isn’t enough. We have to increase testing to cover the gaps by one test.
     
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    The PCR tests, never meant to be used for diagnostic purposes, are the cornerstone of the magnificent deception delivered by WHO and Anthony Fauci. Credit where credit is due, they've done a great job in terrorizing the people of the world.
     
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    I think it's time we stop ignoring the "ethical problem" as you say. It's not just an ethical problem, it's an economic one. It works great for the billionaires like Gates who are in the business of selling governments vaccines, but it's awful for people just trying to eke out a living. Of all the national models out there for dealing with Covid 19, I think Sweden has the best one, which is the country that has been the least affected by the lockdown madness despite being hit pretty hard with Covid 19.
     
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    How is more tests working out? There is a lot of misinformation about Rhode Island out there, but it’s a fact they are administering more tests and repeated tests than most. They have been for months. Yet they experienced a second wave of infections and deaths comparable to states administering far fewer overall tests and far fewer repeat tests. It’s time to admit testing volume criticism early on was political theater. And it’s time to admit it still is.
     
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    We are ignoring the ethical problem. We are quarantining non contagious individuals same as contagious ones.

    But yes, I agree the pandemic is widening the wealth divide in ways never seen in history. And those who in the past complained most about wealth inequality cheer this new inequality like drunks in a sports bar watching their team at an away game.
     
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    Where are you getting your numbers from?
     
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    I would respectfully disagree.
    The problem early on was not only a shortage of tests but also the time to get results from the tests.
    Those 2 things killed any hope of contact tracing.
    And of course now the virus is so wide spread we can only do hot spots.
     
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    Well, let me go get my tinfoil hat out of the closet and turn on Centarian Channel 69 because hell, why not. And let's see what our alien overlords have to say about all of these rights that are being taken away from us. Oh, the misery.
     
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    Well, duh. The test is SUPPOSED to treat everyone the same and determine if the virus is present in the body, or not.

    What part of the word "logic" do you not understand???
     
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    Let’s use my state, Nebraska, as an example. Last spring we tested symptomatics. We did not have a “shortage” of tests as was claimed. We were testing on the same criteria as the much lauded South Korea. We ended up with a peak of around 500 daily infections.

    Through the summer and fall, we hired third party and state employed contact tracers. We decreased test result return time from approximately a week to around 30 hours or less in most cases. We began to test many more asymptomatics. The second wave, in spite of all these “improvements” resulted in almost 3000 cases per day and daily death counts 4 times what we had in the spring with less testing, slower returns, and less contact tracers per active case.

    Of course there are always other factors at play, but the idea RT-PCR testing is effective and that more testing is more effective is not supported by the evidence. I understand the emotional attachment to the tests. They were always referred to as “gold standard”. The narrative was always if we just had more tests we could beat the virus. But the fact remains, if a single test only finds 50% of individuals actually having viral RNA in their body, it can’t do what you were told it could/would do.
     
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    Could that be the reason you missed the entire second wave?
     
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    Are you saying getting even asymptomatics off the street doesn't do any good?
    Or the sooner you get them off the street the better?
     
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    Numerous sources. Here’s one source on RR-PCR.
    https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardi...2/variation-in-false-negative-rate-of-reverse

    It should be noted the above assumes a 100% specificity which never occurs even analytically in reality. So actual false negative rates would be a touch higher than cited if adjusted for actual specificity.

    Data on Rhode Island confirmed cases and tests per capita can be found at:
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    If you need anything else, just ask. I’m open to you sharing the factual basis for your stated opinion that testing is working.
     
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    I clearly stated our second wave was many times worse than our first wave even with more and faster tests and more contact tracing.
     
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    There have been three waves.
    You seemed to have missed the second.
    But seriously. If your going to try and tell me getting contagious people off the street doesn't reduce cases, I'm calling BS.
     

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