The days after the Supreme Court ruled on the 2000 election, Al Gore gave us one of these

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  1. TCassa89

    TCassa89 Well-Known Member

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    Alright, so we've now had recounts, ballot audits, ballot canvasses, reviews and investigations at the state and federal level from the Secretary of State's offices, DHS, the DOJ, and now 58 court cases, including two rulings from the supreme court without any dissent on the final decision, including the three judges appointed by Trump himself. All of these results have been unanimous in their conclusion.

    Whether he likes it or not, Trump needs accept these results. There is nothing less to contest, and there is nothing left to accomplish other than going down as the sorest loser in US election history.
     
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    I don't know... Aaron Burr was a pretty sore loser.
     
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    TCassa89 Well-Known Member

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    What election are you referring to?
     
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    You could go with the 1800 one where he tied jefferson and Hamilton championed Jefferson for the president or the final straw was when he ran for governor and Hamilton campaign for his opponent.
     
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    Did you get your history from a musical by any chance?

    Aaron Burr was not Jefferson's opponent in 1800, he was his running mate and he was also his campaign manager. The way the elections worked back then was the number one vote getter in the electoral college was president, and the number two was vice president. The flaw in this system was in 1800 (before the 12th amendment), the electorates would cast two ballots instead of one(with no distinction between president and vice president on their ballot), whoever got the most votes was president, while the second vote getter was VP. So what would happen is the party who won the election would agree to have everyone except for one of their electorates vote for the same two candidates. They did this to avoid a tie, because if the electorates failed at breaking a tie, the House of Representatives would choose between the two candidates who were tied.

    The intentions of the Democratic Republicans in 1800 was for Jefferson to get the most votes, and Burr to get the second most votes, but the Democratic Republican electorates failed to give Jefferson more votes, so the two ended up in a tie, which resulted in the House of Representatives voting between the two candidates, which was run by the federalists at the time.

    All the Democratic Republicans in the house voted for Jefferson to be president since that was the party's platform (which Aaron Burr was a part of), however many federalists voted for Burr as an effort to sabotage their political rival's platform. Alexander Hamilton did persuade many federalists to vote for Jefferson, however it was never Burr's intention to break away from the Democratic Republicans' platform and make himself president to begin with. He ran with the intentions of being vice president, and he served a full term as vice president

    In regards to the NY race for governor, it is more plausible that Burr's reasons for dueling Hamilton were in relation to him losing that election, but of course then we're no longer talking about a presidential election. Also, historians tend to agree that it was what Hamilton had posted about Burr in the papers that lead him to challenging Hamilton to a duel
     
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    Nope not seen the play. A question though while the were running mates did Burr step down when the electoral college tied? If he had not then become Jefferson's opponent why then were there dozens of votes in the House before Jefferson prevailed with the help of Hamilton?
     
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    Not from what I have seen. Alot of corruption needs to be addressed. Gore just had a few hanging chads.
     
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    According to who?
     
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    LOL! Anyone who can see the truth.
     
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    Burr was Jefferson's running mate as a Democratic Republican, him dropping out would have made a federalist the vice president instead. Again, the vice president was whoever had the second most votes in the electoral college, Jefferson and Burr had 73 votes each, and John Adams had 65. If Burr dropped out that would have automatically made John Adams the vice president, who was a federalist. The Democratic Republicans wanted to have a Democratic Republican president and vice president, which they succeeded in. So long as there was an electoral college tie, the house could only vote between the two candidates who were tied, every Democratic Republican in the house voted for Jefferson, because that was the party's ticket. Burr never campaigned or persuaded the party to make himself the president instead of Jefferson
     
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    Trump saying the election was stolen isn’t truth. You need actual evidence of widespread coordinated voter fraud to show the election was stolen. And no, hearsay isn’t evidence.
     
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    And who is that?

    but more importantly whose job is it to officially make that determination?
     
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    No joke, this questions stumps them every time. I've asked this question to multiple people who claim there was mass fraud on multiple occasions, and none of them have ever been able to answer it. It's a very simple question that everyone else has no issue answering, it is only the people who claim there was mass fraud who have a difficult time answering it
     
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    It has been funny watching them struggle to prove there is any merit to mass fraud. So far anyone I’ve asked for evidence has failed miserably at producing such.
     
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    Al Gore is an idiot. He was upset over a few hanging chads.
     

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