The election is a joke and our choices are fake.

Both of the American political parties have a vested interest in making each other look like they're far apart political alternatives with little in common.

They're no more far apart than my left hand is from my right hand. One is a foot or so to the side of the other, yes, but they're ultimately only members of the same body.

Similarly the parties have minor differences, but they ultimately seek to uphold the exact same kind of society. They want the average person to get a typical job and work for a wage like anybody else while the men at the top live luxuriously off of them, and they want politicians like themselves to continue playing their game to the detriment of everyone else.

Democrats are not the extreme left. Republicans are not the extreme right. The democrats are vaguely center right and the republicans are a bit more to the right but not enough to make a meaningful difference.

Go on, vote for Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders. See if they change anything. Does the phrase "Controlled Opposition" mean anything to you?

The powers that be don't need to censor you. They don't need to drag you away in the night. They don't need to drug you. You think you're free; you think you have choices, and that's all they need to keep you in chains.

 

Everything you say here is dead-on true. Elsewise, how could it be that we see the very same agenda being developed that began with the assassination of JFK? He was upsetting the apple cart. If Trump really is offering the same kind of upset, does anyone believe that his fate will be any different?

 

Cool. Then can i get you to pledge to vote for Donald Trump in the general election? You know, just to throw a little love my way and considering it doesnt make a difference you should have no problem doing it.

 

I have been saying this all along. One must not vote for party, but rather what a person stands for, their history, accomplishments, leadership, and sense everybody has them, their wrong doings.
The only one I see that has all of these and is outside the political spectrum is, Dr. Ben Carson. Everybody says he is just a doctor, and is not applicable for the presidency. They actually think that all his years in college, he only learned what it is to be a doctor. This is ridiculous and naïve. He has a non profit organization for young people of high academics. This program try's to reward those of high academics, in the same way in which an all star quarterback is rewarded. This is to try and make education just as popular as sports. This program started in 1994 and is still going with outstanding non profit awards, it is also in all 50 states. Therefore Ben has, I'm sure sacrificed for the benefit of society, and sense 1994. Which candidate can say that? Ben is a person of integrity, he also is willing to change his mind, or admit when he is wrong. The administration in which he would surround himself, I'm sure would be of the same. He does not care about party, but rather would solve the problems in which we face.

 

I think the OP would be better off living in another country as obviously a republic is simply not for him.

 

The Who said it all in relation to elections: "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

 

Trump isn't offering an upset at all. He's offering the illusion of one.

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The powers that be would benefit greatly from Carson's lasseiz faire policies. As far as I'm concerned, he's just an unwitting pawn to them.

In addition: I think voting in the election is itself a mistake. To quote Emma Goldman, "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."

We need people to organize on the community level and demand change as a mass. Political power belongs to the masses, and when they realize that things will change.

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Trump is still a fascist and he still deserves all of the hatred and derision that can be thrown his way.

 

Trump isn't a fascist. The people that support him are but he's just saying whatever he needs to in order to get elected so as to enrich himself. That's the hard take away though; a lot of the American right support fascism.

 

I would gamble that you have a better education than I. You should utilize it to open peoples eyes to Dr. Carson. I try, but it seems to only gather up anger and hatred.

This very well may be true. However to not vote, only begins the process of a Hitler like person taking power. On the flipside, voting also got us Obama. When at the time, nobody knew anything about him, other than what you could consider irrelevant.

I absolutely agree, my only problem is, I wouldn't even know where to begin. However, I would absolutely be willing to participate. Such an organization would most definitely have to have the majority behind it. Otherwise the powers that be, would only see it as treason.

 

Oh i see. So our vote matters. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

Your vote still doesn't matter, but Trump is also a shining example of all of the things that a human being should not be and he doesn't deserve to have nice things. How is that hard to understand?

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I don't think there's a meaningful difference between someone who takes advantage of fascists to achieve power and an actual fascist leader.

 

Ya, we wouldn't want a man like Trump (who is a massively successful citizen) to be an example. No...We would rather throw our hands up and vote for a feckless old socialist (Bernie Sanders) or a rubber stamp of the current failed regime. (Clinton) Ya, that's it.....Who do you think your are kidding anyway?

I disagree, there is a vast difference between the fascist Obama and Trump who is not a fascist.

 

Sure there is; the guy who isn't a fascist isn't likely to go as far as the guy who is. I doubt Trump would start sending the INS with guns to go round up Muslims and Mexicans for instance because man, that could get bad (once read a diary about something similar, didn't end well). A true fascist isn't going to care about the political fallout and will just start looking to somehow arrest those who oppose them. Things would get pretty ugly pretty quick, and there are a lot of people who it seems would back it right up.

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Blind partisanship will get you nowhere.
EDIT: I take that back, it'll get you down a road we don't want to go.

 

Ya I guess voting for a SUCCESSFUL American citizen is now called 'blind partisanship' by some. No wonder you took it back you just fell into a pothole on your own road.

 

I was talking about the road to fascism which is exactly what Trump is promoting and why the right wing loves him. As for potholes well you'd think the liberals who love to tax and spend here could fix up the roads around my city but no, I live in the unrepresented east side of town.

 

The difference is that the democrat politicians can do exactly what they want, and the general democrat voter is happy. More taxes? Yippee!!! Bigger more intrusive government? YES!!! More laws telling people what to do? GO FOR IT!!!"

while the republican politicians have to lie and hope that their voter base are as dumb as rocks.

 

I don't think you understand what I was trying to say.

I don't think you understand a lot of things.

 

I generally agree except there are too many people upset about the possibility of Trump being elected. It could all be a show but there are plenty of heads exploding over Trump.

 

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The illusion of choice.

 

They might be upset, but what did anybody expect? The republican voter has helped put more republican scoundrels in office than you can shake a stick at. They have a clear majority in both houses, not to mention how they have done on the state and municipal level, and the people who are angriest about trump are the ones that lied to republican voters to get there.

Nobody cared if the government shut down, except for republican politicians. Nobody wanted that stupid omnibus budget bill passed except republican politicians and democrats. They have betrayed their base, so now they have a guy that isn't a politician looking to become the next POTUS.

Yeah, they can be upset all they want. Welcome to the world of the republican voter.