The fire of the Revolution in Europe

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  1. kilgram

    kilgram New Member

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    In Europe looks that the black storms are menacing and the revolutionary air is starting to be breathed in Europe. The people is getting tired of these dictatorships, of the Troika.

    In Greece, today Athens is burning. In Spain the people everyday is angreer and getting tired, and the perspective are not good with the reforms applied by the actual government.

    This year is possible to see important changes in Europe. The revolution is closer, what do you think?

    Do you think that the revolution is the solution to our problems? To this capitalism that is making poorer the people.

    Revolution and power for the people!!!
     
  2. Beevee

    Beevee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is more chance of a revolution in the US, what with the abysmal GOP candidates.

    Imagine what could happen in the unlikely event of one of them achieving the Presidency.
     
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    I really don't see the type of revolution that's happened in the Middle East right now happening in any 1st world Euro countries (including Greece) or the US. I could see a non-violent or localized violent coup against specific power parties or branches of government, but I could only see that somewhere like Europe. In the US, there simply would not be an organized violent revolt by any large group of people.

    First off, the right wouldn't attack the left and vice versa, because both groups parties and leaders are awash with billions in apathy money. Any group of individuals (even counted in the thousands) wouldnt' be tied to either groups leaders and would therefore be considered a "fringe" element. And in the US, they'd have to stand up against the largest military in the world, and the most well equiped. Even if that fringe group brought weapons, they could be pacified quickly with stun weapons, and incapacitators, and US leaders would not open fire indiscriminately against its own citizens (sorry Obama haters, but its true) like you've seen in the middle East. At that point, you'd have revolutionaries killing innocents and the government trying to pacify them for the safety of everyone else. That doesn't garner great support for the revolutionaries, who look like mad killers. It certainly wouldn't gain enough sympathy from military leaders to get any to defect to join the revolution and take their weapons with them.

    Most likely, revolt will have to happen (and can happen) like the Tea Party, Occupy party, and Wisconsin recalls have happened. Grass roots movements that get their people elected or their targets of disdain recalled. With short election cycles, there is always a hope for change around the corner. Now if those grass roots organizations can stop being infiltrated and taken over by the establishment (the Tea Party is no long grass roots or anything but an extension of the fringe of the GOP), and we can actually get voters to vote for quality independent candidates, we'll wake up tomorrow to a won revolution. To me, thats a much better change than violent Revolution, who's end is ALWAYS up for grabs to those that will break the rules the most to win.
     
  4. GeneralZod

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    Revolution never happen and we all know why.

    We live in nations/continents "europe,america" with the biggest military buildup on earth.

    The revolutionists be crushed like ants if the goverments acted like the syrian regime is doing now.
     
  5. reckoning

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    So u are saying George Washington a failure???

    Go outside and read at least a book.

    Europe is gonna burn because they embrace welfarism/socialism and now they are gonna.

    US should NOT bail them out..but Bernanke will likely say otherwise.
     
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    What are you talking about, you silly little man.
     
  7. Beevee

    Beevee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you aware that the US cannot even bail out the US?
     
  8. Daybreaker

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    There does seem be an amazing lack of confidence in leadership all over the world right now. I can't help but feel that it's an proper reaction to the accurate perception that those with power have been, and are being, a bunch of unrepentant and self-righteous dickheads to the vast majority of the world, and the vast majority of the world is no longer content to be anybody's (*)(*)(*)(*)(*). All this talk about freedom and independence has really caught on over the last few centuries. A somewhat more thorough-than-usual restructuring of the global flow of authority and influence does seem inevitable.
     
  9. GeneralZod

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    The words 'freedom" and even "indepenance" are unfourantly only soundbites in the west.

    As we all know with public protest from the uk/europe and in the usa the ows protests. The goverments quickly stamped them out then ignored the protesdters allegations of police brutality.

    Now imagine what would happen if a full scale revolution happened with western goverments pondering the use of force to end it.
     
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    Well according to Bernanke...the USA can just print the money!!
     
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    Europe may have revolutions, its quite common from a historical perspective. However it won't happen this year, it usually takes quite awhile for the winds of change to pick up the necessary speed and for things to get significantly worse than they are now.

    I feel America is fairly immune from revolution but we may see significant change in our political ideology's depending on what happens in Europe. It will be interesting to watch how things unfold over there and who rises to power in the aftermath.
     
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    Difference with usa and europe concerning protests and i wont say revolutions as not going to happen, lets be honest in either continent. Is that in my experince and view, americans talk on it far more than take part. Where in europe it is usually the other way round, protest first. Debate second.
     
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    Revolutions always start with protests. Its not a stretch to imagine the people of Greece storming the capital and taking over the government. Its happening in the middle east so its certainly possible.

    Never happen in America of course but we are unique in the world however we would feel some impacts politically from major changes in Europe.
     
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    I keep forgetting why america is unique. Something to do with purity of blood or something like that.
     
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    Why bother? It's easier to ignore the forgeries and would serve the same purpose. Hyper inflation.
     
  16. kilgram

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    I'm surprised Italy has not erupted like Greece has yet. What would be interesting is if the modern revolutionary movements pick up popular support like in the early 20th century. If they become as large i think with today's advancement in commutation they would become much more successful.
     
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    So far only minor civil disorder. Probably no worse than unhappy soccer fans. Personally I side with Greece instead of Germany but don't expect Greece to be able to prevail.

    Perhaps Greece could get better terms if they hinted that if they are too badly treated they will ally with Germany's rival, Russia. I'm sure Russia would like naval and army bases in what used to be a NATO country and would probably pay quite a bit to get them.
     
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    Again, the ONLY way a violent revolt could win was if there was a significant coup in the military where a large force followed a general or high ranking official AND took their weapons away.

    In the Middle East, when a contingent of citizens revolt, they might have a few AK-47's, knife, pistols and some homeade bombs against an unmotivated military, poorly trained and oppressed into service, with a few more AK-47's, a few more bullets, some grenades and maybe some 30 year old rusty tanks, possibly even some air cover. The field, while not level by any stretch, is still playing the same sport against each other, and the possibilities of success are there (though Libya would still be Syria without UN intervention).

    In the US, 100,000 angry citizens with automatic hunting rifles and homeade pipe bombs would get annihilated by 500 well-trained elite forces. Give them one modern tank battalion, one division of stealth copters, satellite positioning and constant communication with every soldier in the field, and the war would be over in an afternoon. A fleet of drones with cluster bombs or napalm attached, or a even a few M60 (ot whatever advanced rapid fire automatics they could attach to drones) could fly right into danger and the force of 500 wouldn't even have to break a sweat.

    It would be like the Pittsburgh Steelers defense in full pads lining up across from the Washington Middle School girls touch football team. Even if the girls team got to have 40 girls on the field for each Steeler player, they wouldn't stand a chance just because they have sheer numbers.
     

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