The forgotten (so called) assault rifle.

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  1. QLB

    QLB Well-Known Member

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    With the new liberal bogeyman now being the AR 15 variants, libs seem to have forgotten about the previous title holder. The semi-auto version of the AK47/AKM has in many ways fell off the radar. Good quality, cheap weapons like the Norinco and Polytech are long gone, however there are now new players in the market. They're American made now and a bit more expensive. Quality varies among manufacturers and types which can make choosing the right weapon difficult. I tend to stay away from Romo's/WASR's in general. Right now I'm looking at a version of the CIA C39 V2 as a cost effective alternative. However, when it gets down to brass tacks there's nothing like an Arsenal. Besides nothing gets the control out of gun control like an AK.
     
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    Not to mention 7.62x39 is ever plentiful, dirt cheap, and comes sealed in tins.
     
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    Sounds like they're OK for occasional shooting.

     
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    I played with the AK varients extensively, I bought a Zastava version early on, it cost $ 250 and was shocked at this ones quality it had a plain walnut looking stock it was lacquered with cheap gloss, I sanded it off and oiled it.

    The bolt was a hardened reddish colour.

    A folding stock version appeared a bit later and I bought it too.
    I also bought a few 75 round drums as novelties, they worked really well, I learned not to use my thumb to release magazine pressure after a rather nasty injury, a classic avulsion to my right thumb.

    I found accuracy issues with the AK to be related to the barrel, me and a gunsmith freind took off the barrel of an inaccurate AK and put it on a lathe, and it wobbled perceptively, the micrometer showed wobble too, oddly my freind was able to straighten it and after testing, accuracy was very good, something I thought quite impossible, I did not watch him do it, but the end result was nothing shirt of amazing.

    The AK was designed for abuse, little maintenance, corrosive ammo, not occasional use.

    Designed and built by Mikhail Kalashnikov for so called "Peasant ( read illiterate ) Soldiers " and issued with a sort of comic book style instruction book, no written language, just picture instructions.

    As an aside, I later saw Zastava AK 47s in a warehouse in Columbia, being sold for $ 100, not semiautomatic, the Miltary issue.
     
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    The nitrided barrel is a big concern of mine. My preference is still with chromed barrels.
     
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    You realize its still included by name in every gun ban bill though right?

    A Century Arms RAS 47 is pretty dependable in my experience. Eats nasty surplus rounds pretty easy
     
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    If they get the holes right and tempering done correctly, aside from parts quality control issues, it is hard to find a truly inferior quality AK, the barrel is usually the main culprit in accuracy issues.

    Chrome lined barrels and non corrosive boxer primed ammo, a great combination.
     
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    Sturmgewehr was never a popular term in America.

    "AR-15 style rifle" sounds more catchy.

    However "rifle" is a misnomer. They are not rifles. They are carbines.

    Carbines are short rifles or long pistols.

    The pistol in the design is unmistakable. You can easily see it in the STG, in the AK's, and in the AR's. It is a Nazi German invention stolen by the Russians and copied by Stoner.
     
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    Indeed. If its not chrome RUN AWAY.
     
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    Eugene Stoner copied nothing.

    His AR-10 was a complete departure from conventional firearms design of the then past, no piston, no op rod, just a gas rod /gas, to unlock the bolt carrier / bolt.

    No conventional solid wood stock .

    An inline gas operated action and recoil absorbing buffer spring within the buffer tube within the stock, greatly reducing felt recoil.

    Since all mechanical stress occurs in limited confines, other parts could be designed and made of cheaper easier to machine materials ie Aluminum.

    Other parts made of high quality ordnance steel and some castings.

    Just as the M-1 carbine by Marsh Williams was not a copy of anything before it.
    Marsh developed it while in Prison, an astounding accomplishment in and of itself.
     
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    Or carry a field cleaning kit, if you use corrosive ammo.
     
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    Nyet. AK is peasant's rifle, peasant is not reliable to clean in field. Even gloriously simple people's rifle.
     
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    Urine neutralizes the corrosive chemicals left in the barrel, burns may result....
     
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    Have you accounted for the unusual amount of alcohol in the urine of russian troops? Do it on a hot barrel and it might combust!
     
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    The reference to AK's in the 2017 Ban attempt:

    "‘‘(i) All AK types, including the following:"

    then it goes on to list several AK types.

    They have not forgotten it.
     
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    I know some guys that take hot water in a thermos to the range and dowse the gun once finished with corrosive ammo to melt the salts. They put more effort into cleaning once they get home.
     
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    I've got a Bulgarian made AK pattern built by a company that knew what it was doing.

    Will shoot 1.5 MOA with basic Wolf ammo. Can't make it screw up in function no matter how I abuse it.

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    Cold, my Ruger Mini 14 will fire 1.5 moa's too.

    But semi auto's never stay cold for long.

    As the carbine gets hotter the moa's spread, all the way out to 2.5 at maximum heat. RUGER MINI-14 50YD 100YD 4-6-2014.jpg
     
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    Stoner's AR's still LOOK like an STG even though it (unfortunately) does NOT function like one.
     
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    Da but needs better stock comrade
     
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    I know "they" haven't forgotten with the intention of the anti's to get rid of all weapons. I do find it amusing that the libs are fixated on the AR 15 platform.
     
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    The AR's are the most popular guns in the USA. Gotta start someplace.

    Bad place to start however.
     
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    I wish the anti gun Fokker's would simply move to Canada or Australia or England where there are more of their ilk already.
     
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    Agree completely. However for a lot of people a good quality AK platform may provide an good alternative. You might pay a bit more for a good one now, but you don't have to worry much about things like maintenance, reliability etc.
     
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    I don't know much about not worrying about maintenance on any gun, I always clean and lube all guns anyway.

    I had AKs, really had fun with SKS rifles.

    Two stand out, a very nice Chinese SKS that I found a star magazine for, and painted the star red.

    In unissued Romanian SKS when they were around $169 on a C&R license from J&G Sales.
     
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