The Holy Roman Empire at the time of Charlemagne, ISIS or The Taliban?

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Which group of people was The Worst?

  1. The Holy Roman Empire at the time of Charlemagne

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  2. ISIS in Syria and Iraq

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  3. The Taliban in Afghanistan

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  4. The government of Iran since 1979.

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  5. Actually all of these groups behaved in the same way toward groups of religious rivals.

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which one would you say was the worst?

    Would you perhaps say that they treat innocent people in essentially the same way?

    I saw the following message on Facebook......
    and I am pretty sure that our grandfather Adam.... would tell us to FORGIVE THE DAUGHTERS OF EVE..... for their imperfections!


    IF ONLY WE GUYS HAD UNDERSTOOD THE GILGIL CYCLE OF JUDAISM AND / OR THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE DR. IAN STEVENSON RESEARCH!!!!
    ....
    ....

    HAPPY FATHER'S DAY EVERYBODY .....

    Dr. Jesse Duplantis was somehow told by the Holy Spirit that near death experiencer Kevin Zadai was his spiritual son.........

    and that he should pay off Dr. Zadai's MORTGAGE...... Dr. Jesse Obeyed........ and paid off Kevin and Kathi Zadai's mortgage!!!!!!

    There is such a thing as a spiritual FATHER TOO!!!!!!!!!!!

    Dr. Jesse Duplantis was led to NEW ORLEANS...... NEW ORLEANS AND INDIA HAVE A LOT IN COMMON DUE TO THE GEOGRAPHY OF THE NATION OF BANGLADESH!

    THE PEOPLE OF NEW ORLEANS AND BANGLADESH HAVE TO TAKE THE THREAT OF RISING OCEAN LEVELS RATHER SERIOUSLY........




    ........

    In the following video Dr. Jesse states that he was shown that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus's WORST DAY IS AHEAD OF HIM!!!!!!!!!!!

    JESUS DOES NOT WANT TO REJECT ANYBODY.........

    NOT EVEN AZAZEL WHOSE NAME IS IN LEVITICUS CHAPTER SIXTEEN VERSE TEN IN THE ORIGINAL HEBREW.........

    [that can be read in the R. S. V. as I did back decades ago]!

    ....

    Warning... I suffer from what a psychologist might term DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR........

    I am of the belief that Dr. Jesse Duplantis might have been the Patriarch Reuben in a past life..........???????????????

    I suspect that he was my son back then?????????!!!!!!!!!

    Pawn to King Four....... any move by black........

    Pawn to King Bishop FOUR!!!!

    ....

    OH.... IN THAT TIME AND PLACE.....

    President Donald J. Trump may have been the Patriarch Judah.......

    who is hinted may have reincarnated as the Danite Judge Samson........

    who came back later as King David.........

    then as Isaiah..........

    then he did a BAD BOY LIFETIME AS NERO............

    then later as William Wallace to fulfill Psalm 22 and 23...........

    in a manner that made him identify with THE PASSION OF MESSIAH YESHUA - JESUS AT AN EXTREMELY HIGH LEVEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...orld-reserve-currency.619340/#post-1074848934
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For the record.....

    the government of Iran since 1979 has behaved horribly toward people who they regarded as theological rivals.




    Inspiring Testimony of an Iranian Christian Woman | Naghmeh Panahi Voices Of The Persecuted 2024:https://backtojerusalem.com/events/voices-of-the-persecuted-church-conference-2024/Naghmeh was born and raised in the Middle East until she was nine years old when her family moved to the United States. In 2001 Naghmeh returned to Iran as a young adult and lived there for many years experiencing the oppression and violence women are subjected to everyday in the Middle East. In 2012, her husband Saeed Abedini was arrested while visiting Iran.Because of Saeed’s plight Naghmeh was able to bring worldwide attention not only to Saeed’s imprisonment in Iran, but also to the plight of the persecuted Christians worldwide. She publicly advocated for his release to President Obama, Donald Trump and Ivanka Trump, the U.S. Congress, the United Nations, and nearly every major news outlet over the course of three and a half years while he was in prison.You can read Nagmeh's testimony here:https://backtojerusalem.com/product/i-didnt-survive/-------------------- .....


    I personally believe that if we guys understood the TRUTH about the Gilgul Cycle of Judaism........ or the implications of the Dr. Ian Stevenson research........
    we would soon learn to treat everybody differently....... even the people that we consider to be our rivals!



    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html


    What near death experiencer Christian Andreason was shown about reincarnation was backed up by near death experiencer Bruce. F. MacDonald.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...l-prize-in-literature.542590/#post-1069675155
    Your nomination for Nobel Prize in Literature?




    At the link above there are ten paragraphs from Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus as shown to a near death experiencer... that may astonish you..... because it is similar to paragraphs from the Christian scriptures.... but has a somewhat different flavour.
     
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    What would probably happen to Charlemagne during his Life Review with the Being of Light of near death experience fame?

    From what I have read I believe that he would do something like a Vulcan Mind Meld with every woman.......

    who he had accused of being a witch........

    who was then impaled and tortured to death in that manner!


    The Life Review and the Near-Death Experience
    BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 22, 2019

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    .....


    Near death experiencer and former Atheist Howard Storm found his Life Review to be a profoundly HUMBLING experience!


    https://near-death.com/howard-storm-nde/

     
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    There is no evidence for this. At this time nobody was killed for being a witch, and women (or men) collecting herbs have had a high social status. Crap!
     
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    I'm not aware of that occurring in Charlemagne's realm either...nor do I think the Carolingian empire was formally referred to as the HRE during his reign.
     
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    Heretics and Sabbatarians and other branches of the Messianic Jewish or Christian movement that was labelled as heretical by the Roman Catholic Church were treated even worse.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxe's_Book_of_Martyrs


    The response by Protestants to what the Roman Catholic Church did to Protestants and other heretics was just as brutal.

    My point is that cruelty on a massive scale was pretty common over these past two millennia.

    Were there white slaves from Ireland?



    But we do know that there was a serious rivalry between the church and the secular governments of Europe to determine exactly who had the most power and could take in the most money [tithes vs taxes].
     
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    We do know that:


     
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    True, and there were times when each tried to rule over the other.

    One of the more interesting episodes within this rivalry began as a bitter dispute - the Franciscan Poverty Controversy (1327-28 ) - over the doctrine of Apostolic Poverty between Pope John XXII and the Spiritualist faction within the Order of the Friars Minor, which spilled into the feud between the pope and the emperor of the HRE, Ludwig IV of Bavaria. The friar who defended the Franciscans, William of Ockham, who was one of the greatest theologians and logicians of the Middle Ages, successfully defended the doctrine of Apostolic Poverty and his Order against the John XXII and both men declared each other heretics. William and several other Franciscans fled Avignon, where the papacy in all its extravagant power and wealth was then located, to the HRE where he found an ally in Ludwig IV, and it was here that William developed the first individual rights doctrine and social contract theory while supporting the emperor's independent authority from the Church, and the broader advocacy of the separation of church and state. It's quite interesting how this obscure dispute turned into one of the most important and largely forgotten events in History.
     
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    I am listening to a near death experiencer right now who saw Hitler and many leading Nazis in hell.......

    and they were reliving over and over again what they had done to others.

    The part about Hitler is after the fifty eight minute mark in this video.

    Based on this near death experience I would say that Charlemagne would end up horribly regretting the way that he had had others treated.


    There is a fascinating detail in this near death experience how even in The Pit of Hell if you will say the name of Jesus the demons there cannot grab hold of you and devour you like they obviously wanted to do. This is after the twenty three minute mark in this video. Former Atheist Howard Storm noticed similar things in the parts of the afterlife that he viewed.


     
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    Pagans were a vicious murdering lot, far more so than the Christians were. They still are. When Christians would show mercy and tolerance, pagans would take that as weakness and then attempt to slaughter them. The same goes on today, as the U.S. recedes in power so does the violence and flare ups around the world kill more an more people, since there is no one to restrain the criminals, feral savages, and crime families.
     
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    the rise of Christianity was a positive thing, relative to what it replaced.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_magic

    During the Early Middle Ages, the Christian Churches did not conduct witch trials.[6] The Germanic Council of Paderborn in 785 explicitly outlawed the very belief in witches, and the Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne later confirmed the law. Among Eastern Orthodox Christians concentrated in the Byzantine Empire, belief in witchcraft was widely regarded as deisidaimoniasuperstition—and by the 9th and 10th centuries in the Latin Christian West, belief in witchcraft had begun to be seen as heresy.

    Ironically it was the rise of 'rationalism' and 'science' that spawned the belief in superstition and magic.


    Towards the end of the Middle Ages and the beginning of the early modern period (post-Reformation), belief in witchcraft became more popular and witches were seen as directly in league with the Devil. This marked the beginning of a period of witch hunts among early Protestants which lasted about 200 years, and in some countries, particularly in North-Western Europe, tens of thousands of people were accused of witchcraft and sentenced to death.[10]

    The Inquisition within the Roman Catholic Church had conducted trials against supposed witches in the 13th century, but these trials were to punish heresy, of which belief in witchcraft was merely one variety.[6] Inquisitorial courts only became systematically involved in the witch-hunt during the 15th century: in the case of the Madonna Oriente, the Inquisition of Milan was not sure what to do with two women who in 1384 and in 1390 confessed to have participated in a type of white magic.

    Not all Inquisitorial courts acknowledged witchcraft. For example, in 1610 as the result of a witch-hunting craze the Suprema (the ruling council of the Spanish Inquisition) gave everybody an Edict of Grace (during which confessing witches were not to be punished) and put the only dissenting inquisitor, Alonso de Salazar Frías, in charge of the subsequent investigation. The results of Salazar's investigation was that the Spanish Inquisition did not bother witches ever again though they still went after heretics and Crypto-Jews.[11]
     
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    By the way, this part has been shown to be a myth, part of the anti-Catholic propganda campaign in the 'Enlightenment' period. About 12,000 cases over the entire history of Europe, almost all outside of Spain and Italy, and most involved women poisoning their husbands, not magical nonsense, no doubt a result of few rights for women and probably rampant abuse and violence against them.
     
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    Thank you for this interesting detail.......

    I sure do hope that you are correct.... this does sound good.
     
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    There are even some pagans who point that out re witch burnings.

    Most of the Inquisition claims are absurd on tier faces, especially the death tolls, and they also don't distinguish between the three different Inquisitions and the reasons behind them. It wasn't 'just cuz Xians were evil ignorant bigots and hated the poor hapless Jews for no reason n stuff', either. Jews weren't even the majority of those tried.
     

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