The hottest year on record unleashes a mass coral bleaching tragedy

No, that is blathering propaganda. I discuss actual facts, like correcting your claim that the Great Barrier Reef has been there longer than humans. That is not even close to being true, the current reef is only around 9,000 years old.

You, you absolutely refuse to talk in anything other than propaganda, and never actually cite "facts". You only cite your own beliefs, and that is not the same thing at all.

But hey, if you think humans are destroying the planet there is always one solution you can do in order to do your part in solving the problem.

 

What might that be? What do YOU want me to do to "solve the problem"? I just cited facts about the way humans are damaging the earth. You chose to ignore them and simply blurt out "propaganda". Is that your definition of "solving the problem". Based on average plastic residue in foods and liquids, the average human ingests an ocean buoy worth of plastic every 10 years. Propaganda to you, fact to me. I'll be glad to provide links to any of my claims about these earth-altering practices of mankind.

 

No, you cited your opinions. Citing "facts" is doing things like actually using scientific studies and not your opinions and nothing else. Just like what you just posted and every other post you make.

And yes, I have decided that you do in fact refuse to discuss any kind of facts at all, and will only go on ad nauseum spouting your opinions, no matter how wrong they are. Care to discuss how ancient the Great Barrier Reef is? Because you are very wrong there, but will never admit it.

This is a science thread. How about discussing the actual science, instead of your silly beliefs? There should be other threads in here if you just want to go on and on about your own ideas without any actual basis in science.

 

You want to continue to gloat over the age of the GBF, have at it. It’s an ancient treasure that is one of the marvels of the Earth. And make no mistake, mankind has the ability to destroy it. Hide your head in the sand about mankind’s destructive tendencies with your all-is-well approach. It’s a good thing that we have watchdogs to protest these treasures against the apathy and ignorance of the anti- environmentalists.

 

You are the third PF member to imply in their post to me this week they are aliens. Can this rash of PF members claiming to be aliens be coincidental, or maybe something else….

 

Just a sure sign of mental illness.

 

That’s a more logical explanation than PF actually being infiltrated by aliens.

 

The data and research results do not support the alarmist narrative about the GBR.


Wrong, WSJ and U.N., Data Show Climate Change Isn’t Threatening the Great Barrier Reef
Climate change impacts November 30, 2022
The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) recently published a story describing a new United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) mission report, claiming that...

Great Barrier Reef Defies Climate “Science” and Pundits
Coral Reefs August 8, 2022
Dr. Bjørn Lomborg informs about the status of the Great Barrier Reef (GBR) in a Facebook post on 8/7/22. He writes: Today, the Great Barrier...

Sorry, CNN, Great Barrier Reef Is Setting Records, Fearmongering Won’t Work
Climate change impacts August 4, 2022
A new report from the Australian Institute of Marine Science (AIMS) shows the Great Barrier Reef (GBR) set new records for extent this year....

Sorry, WaPo, There Is No Evidence Bleaching Threatens a Great Barrier Reef “Tipping Point”
Climate change impacts March 29, 2022
The Washington Post (WaPo) published an article today discussing the fact that Australia’s Great Barrier Reef (GBR) recently suffered its “sixth massive bleaching event,”...

 

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And now -----------------------------> The Real Science!

https://www.barrierreef.org/the-reef/threats/climate-change

Reduce emissions
Insufficient global action on climate change is taking a serious toll on the health of our Great Barrier Reef. Urgent global action to drastically and rapidly reduce greenhouse gas emissions is needed now if we are going to have any chance of saving coral reefs.

https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/resources/climate-change-great-barrier-reef/

THE GREAT BARRIER REEF could be hit with repeat coral bleaching events every two years by 2034 under current greenhouse gas pollution rates, the Climate Council’s new report shows.

https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/great-barrier-reef/

The Great Barrier Reef consists of about 3,000 individual reefs of coral, and the biodiversity they contain is remarkable. There are animals you would probably recognize, such as dolphins, turtles, crocodiles, and sharks. There are also venomous sea snakes, brightly colored worms, and large algae. These species interact to form a complex and delicate ecosystem dependent on the coral reef for survival. Yet today the coral—and therefore all the organisms that depend on it—is gravely at risk.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/152561/heat-stress-on-the-great-barrier-reef

Australia’s Great Barrier Reef has been hit by widespread coral bleaching caused by heat stress, government officials confirmed on March 8, 2024. This is the fifth mass bleaching of the reef since 2016.

Aerial surveys of over 300 reefs conducted by the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority, which monitors the health of the coral, found bleaching in shallow water areas spanning two-thirds of the reef.

 

Alarmist claims are refuted by science.
2 More New Studies Undermine Alarmist Claims That Corals Are Harmed By Warming
By Kenneth Richard on 21. December 2023

Warmer sea surface temperatures are associated with coral growth, not decline.
According to a new study, coral growth was slow during the ~1°C colder Little Ice Age (LIA), but grew rapidly as sea surface temperatures (SSTs) warmed after 1850. Warmth is associated with coral growth, whereas colder SSTs are linked to growth rate decline.

“The average growth rate of four colonies living in the LIA is 0.87 ± 0.11 cm/yr, which is significantly (t-test, p < 0.0001) lower than the colonies in the 20th century [1.23 ± 0.22 cm/yr].”

“The observed low average growth rates during the LIA can be explained by the ~1°C lower temperature.”

Ocean pH levels were as low or lower (more “acidified”) than recent decades during the LIA (e.g., 1500s to 1700s CE), suggesting that the atmospheric CO2 levels are not an ocean pH variability determinant. In fact, the authors point out that anthropogenic CO2 can only ever affect pH variability by 0.05 of a unit over centuries, whereas natural variations in pH units can reach 0.1 to 0.3 within a decade or less.



Image Source: Liu et al., 2023
Another new study (Gischler et al., 2023) also indicates that falling temperatures and declining sea level rise rates in the last few millennia after the warmer early- to mid-Holocene is “responsible for reef decline” in Beliz and south Florida.

“A decline in the rate of sea-level rise, as observed after 6 ka BP, has diminished accommodation space and, hence, reef accretion. Rate of rise in Holocene sea level and reef accretion rate indeed exhibit a positive correlation (Fig. 3B). Likewise, a mid-to-late Holocene temperature fall has been suggested to be responsible for reef decline in Beliz, as well as south Florida.”

“Coral sclerochronology and vegetation data from offshore Belize suggest also that warm and wet conditions during early Holocene times were followed by cooler and drier conditions in the mid-late Holocene. The results of the present study suggest that there are gaps in the Holocene A. palmata record, and, that A. cervicornis was twice as abundant during the early as compared to the mid and late Holocene (13.1 ± 1.7% vs. 6.7 ± 1.4% and 6.3 ± 1.7%, respectively), suggesting a deterioration in the environmental conditions for reef development over time.”

 

The NOAA has a Coral Reef Watch, and they regularly publish worldwide data. This thread is about the Great Barrier Reef, and concerns from 2023 record heating. NOAA no longer shows any alert for that area, but many other areas are severely threatened.

 

Yes, and . . . ?

 

"Hottest" talk is contrived.
Scarcely a Day Passes Without the Met Office Announcing Another ‘Record’ Temperature. But How Many of its Weather Stations are Next to Airports and Solar Farms?
CHRIS MORRISON
The elephant in the Met Office Room is that, needless to say, almost all of these heat readings occur at stations classed 4 and 5 that come with very large…

 

The GBR is setting records for coral.
After a trillion tons of CO2, the Great Barrier Reef hits record coral cover third year in a row


By Jo Nova

Sixty percent of all human CO2 emissions have been emitted since 1985 but today the corals are healthier than ever
In 1985 humans were emitting only 19.6 billion tons of CO2 each year, and now we emit 37 billion tons. In the meantime AIMS have been dragging divers thousands of kilometers over the reefs to inspect the coral cover. These are the most detailed underwater surveys on the largest reef system in the world, and they show that far from being bleached to hell, the corals are more abundant than we have ever seen them.

As Peter Ridd points out, when the reef was doing badly, AIMS was happy to combine the data on the whole reef, so we could lament its demise. But lately AIMS splits it into separate sections and if Peter Ridd didn’t check the numbers, who would know it was a record across the full 2,300 kilometer length of the reef? And that may be exactly the point. As Ridd reminds us, in 2012 the AIMS team predicted the coral cover in the central and southern regions would decline to 5 – 10 percent cover by 2022. Instead the whole reef is thriving at 30 percent.


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But... what if you hopped on a plane to Nunavut... or the Yukon... or Labrador...... or Alaska and you talked to people and you asked them if the winters are warmer?

You would soon find out that yes......

the winters are warmer and shorter... and the "summers" up north are lasting longer............


That DOES NOT mean that I support a Carbon TAx.... I support deliberately TURNING DESERTS GREEN!

And Israel has developed amazing technology to do exactly that......

New Mexico biologist and coach Carl Cantrell has some serious insight on how the climate could actually be shifted toward stability and Bill Gates and Al Gore would hate his theory......


www.BankingSystemsFlaws.blogspot.ca/

 

And for a significant number of adults (myself included), what was the global climate like?

Significantly colder than it is now. A return almost to the Little Ice Age, and in reality only about 1.5 degrees F colder than now. And for the adults in the 1970s, the temperatures were still colder than they remembered in the 1940s, because that was a brief hot spike. But still warmer than the climate their parents remembered.



Once again, the dangers of setting the benchmark in an exceptionally cold period of history. Plus I find it funny to be honest when they are trying to proclaim "anomalies", when there is only about a century and a half of hard data. As if nothing mattered before the late 1800s.

 

We cannot go wrong by investing in deliberately turning deserts green......

but a Carbon Tax puts us into something close to a Civil War because we know that governments are controlled by billionaires who

tend to get annoyed when mere middle class people drive the same brand name of cars as they do.......

so if they can stop most people from driving much more than fifteen kilometres by 2030 or so.......

they that makes them happy.

This is all an offshoot of neo-Malthusian economic philosophy......

that was began by an Anglican Priest who worried that we humans are far too productive to be entrusted with anything less than terrible

central banking policy?!

"And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." [Genesis 11:6}


A Carbon Tax is intended to give governments total control over the economy.....

so that human productivity can be greatly decreased.....

On the other hand... if we could UNITE around the simple idea of turning deserts green then......

we actually could do a lot to turn deserts green.... and every cubic meter of sea water that is desalinated and seeps down to build up the water table of a nation with lots of desert is good news for real estate that is vulnerable to the threat of rising ocean levels.

The land based Greenland Ice Sheet is especially vulnerable to cracking and sliding as the Arctic warms.....

but the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is even more vulnerable due to it being below sea level....


Unavoidable future increase in West Antarctic ice-shelf melting over the twenty-first century
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-023-01818-x

A Carbon Tax will do ESSENTIALLY NOTHING TO PREVENT OCEAN LEVELS FROM RISING!!!!!!

 

https://platogbr.com/failed-predictions/

In 1999, a paper by a very eminent coral biologist appeared. It predicted, on the basis of climate models, that owing to increases in temperature attributable to climate change, mass coral bleaching would be occurring seven or eight times per decade by 2018 on all parts of the Reef (Hoegh-Guldberg, 1999).[2] The implication was that by 2020, the reef would be totally devastated by these events. But, in 2022, the reef has record high coral cover.

 

One would think that after sixty years of restrictive regulations and the increasing use of alternate energy sources such as wind, solar, and electric, that the negative effects on the environment would show signs of diminishing. But according to experts, the environment continues to degrade. This suggests that something other than our use of fossil fuels is creating the problem.

 

You know that is complete and utter junk science, right? And this is such obviously bad science that I am amazed I have to even say anything about it.

Ice shelves in the sea melting contribute absolutely nothing to sea levels. Zero, zip, zilch, nada, nothing at all. The entire Arctic Ice Cap and melt away tomorrow, and the oceans will not raise even a fraction of a millimeter. And the exact same with the melting of every single floating ice shelf in the Admundsen Sea, or anywhere else in the world.

I swear, whoever writes papers like this should be put into a mental institution, and placed on trial for purposefully making the nation more stupid.

And if anybody doubts me, I invite them to do a little experiment. Go into your kitchen and fill a glass with ice. Then add in enough water so that the water level is even with the lip of the glass. And it does not matter at all if some of the ice is poking up over the rim, just sit back and wait for it to melt. And when it melts, here is an amazing magic trick I can do. Because no matter how much ice is over the rim, once it all melts the water will remain at the same place.

This is not exactly anything new, it's called "Displacement". This has been known for thousands of years now, and what the water is displaced with really does not matter. But in this case, floating ice displaced the exact same amount of volume in the water as the water it is composed of. So when it melts, the actual gain of volume is nothing.

And to be honest, there might be a fractional loss of volume, as ice displaces more volume than liquid water does. But that is such a fractionally small amount that it is insignificant.

This is exactly what I mean when I urge people to actually analyze the information they are presented, or that others present. Actually analyze it, and see if it makes any kind of actual logical sense. Because this one stinks like a five day old turd stored in a microwave then heated. But that's alright, this is hardly the first time I have seen somebody report such a stupid claim. I am always amazed that I see it fairly often, and it never makes me feel sad at how little so many people actually understand of science at all.

Oh, and another thing about the movement of such large ice masses, they are not driven by temperatures. The ice sheets do not move because of temperatures, they do not "melt" because of temperatures. They are purely gravity conveyors. More ice and snow piled up on top, which causes pressure. And that pressure causes the bottom layer to heat up and become more like a liquid, which causes it so obey the laws of gravity and start to move downwards. The more snow and ice builds up, the faster the ice advances.

But the temperature does not matter worth a damn, this melting is caused by pressure and not surface temperatures at all. It can't be affected by surface temperatures, it's at the bottom of a miles thick ice sheet (and ice is an excellent insulator).

When conditions are cold and more snow and ice is added to a glacier, it advances. It moves forward, it expands the area it covers. This is like Geology 101 stuff here, it is not rocket science.

And here is a bit more Geology 101 here. When glaciers are actually melting due to increased temperatures, the ice does not advance and move forward. It retreats. It pulls back, because there is now less mass for the gravity to pull on and instead of advancing, it retreats. This can be seen in every glacier in the world. Even the newest glacier that is less than 4 decades old in Washington State. It actually advances significantly, and melts when there is more geothermal energy under it causing melting.

So if something is "melting" the ice sheets in Antarctica, it is not temperatures. Because the ice sheets are still advancing. However, there are two active volcanos on Antarctica, and some are wondering if the apparent increased speed of some of the glacial movement is related to vulcanism.

 

Not only degrade, but also apparently accelerating according to their claims.

 

Atmospheric CO2 levels have continued to rise. Despite a lot of progress with renewables and other technologies, the world is still burning fossil fuels at a very high rate. Much more is needed. Patience is needed. One solar rooftop at a time. One Carbon- neutral home at a time.

 

Recent "hottest" claims don't stand up to scrutiny.
NOAA’s June 2024 Climate Data Shows No “Record High” U.S. Maximum Temperature Anomaly or Absolute Temperatures Occurred Despite Flawed Alarmist Claims Portrayed in Media Political Hype
Larry Hamlin
…measured temperature data clearly established that these “record” claims are completely phony and represent dishonest and climate science incompetent media driven climate alarmist political propaganda. . . .