The Iron Baroness had it right

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  1. Flanders

    Flanders Well-Known Member

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    Away back when the European Union was getting started, I predicted it would implode in ten years. It looks like it’s starting to happen:

    The European Union in crisis; Will it survive?
    DON MELVIN, Associated Press
    Updated 04:06 a.m., Thursday, September 29, 2011

    http://www.chron.com/news/article/The-European-Union-in-crisis-Will-it-survive-2193173.php#loopBegin

    I like to think Mrs. Thatcher played a part in setting the stage for the EU’s early death; at least as big of a part as the one played by Tony Blair in betraying England’ sovereignty. Blair did everything he could do to hand the UK to the EU:

    Next month, Blair intends to give his approval to a new European Union constitution, which would create a United States of Europe and turn Parliament into the equivalent of a local council. Trevor Kavanagh, political editor of the Sun, Britain's largest newspaper, says Blair's decision signs away 1,000 years of British sovereignty and hands "control of our economic, defense, foreign and immigration policies to Brussels. The EU will also gain authority over our justice, transport, health and commerce systems -- and dictate the strength of union power."

    Our undemocratic ally
    Paul Craig Roberts
    May 21, 2003

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/britain-our-undemocratic-ally

    NOTE: England had its Tony Blair betraying his country to the EU while America had Blair’s bunghole buddy, Bill Clinton, betraying his country to the UN:

    Bill Clinton made a major address to the United Nations General Assembly in September 1997. He spoke with gusto about what he called "this new global era" and "the emerging international system." Then he used an amazing metaphor: he said he is taking America into a "web of institutions and arrangements" to set "the international ground rules for the 21st century." He identified the treaties that will take us into this web: the World Trade Organization, the Chemical Weapons Convention, the NATO Expansion Treaty, and the Global Warming Treaty.

    Beware of Clinton’s “Web” of treaties
    By Phyllis Schlafly

    http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/EO/cc_speech.html

    Comparing Thatcher, Blair, and Clinton

    In light the EU’s impending demise amid the growing chorus of public voices calling for the US to withdraw from the United Nations, I must say that Margaret Thatcher stands out like the Rock of Gibralter among pebbles.

    Rather than talk about today’s EU problems, I want to post a slightly edited excerpt from a message I put up on another board in March of 2002:


    I don't know how Baroness Thatcher feels about the UN, but if her distrust is only one tenth the level of distrust she has for the EU then she's my kind of gal. Besides: How can you not love a broad who is said to have Marilyn Monroe's lips and Caligula's eyes?

    Mrs. Thatchers's views on the EU have made me realize just how much Richelieu-mania has permeated every level of political activity in Europe. Even the sign carriers are afflicted. They, of course, claim they want democracy, but they want demonstration-driven democracy rather than representative democracy. In that respect our European cousins are different than the American "compassionate" Left. American Socialists/Communists want judicial democracy rather than legislative democracy. American Communists/Socialists can't get what they want by going through the legislative process; so they push for control of the federal courts.

    The oh-so-intense, wire-framed spectacles, crowd always demonstrating in Europe at economic conferences are just as crafty as are our American Socialists/Communists. European moralists scream about a capitalist global economy controlled by the United States, but they fail to mention their support for the alternative: A socialist/communist global economy controlled by a communist priesthood. American Socialists/Communists talk issues, but they publicly ignore how socialism must end in totalitarian communism.

    The Socialists/Communists in Europe, and here in the US, are cut from the same bunch of bananas. They swear the United States controls the UN, but you never see them in Manhattan trying to shutdown the UN. And you certainly never see them partitioning their own government to withdraw from the UN. If, as they claim, the U.S. controls the UN in order to further global capitalism then their number one priority should be to put the UN out of business. Unless, of course, they don't believe what they are saying. Another possibility is that they are as dumb as they are naive.

    In fact, the best way to address their concerns is to shut the UN down and abandon global government entirely. As is being pointed out by more and more knowledgeable people: Foreign subsidies create destructive dependancy abroad just as welfare does the same thing here at home. No one ends up with a better life except the parasites who land in a soft spot at the public trough. Those same parasites then turn around and push their own people down even further with the money they received from First World economic moralists who are themselves nothing more than a better-fed breed of parasites. Socialism just doesn't work on a global scale any more than it works here at home.
     
  2. Flanders

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    Things are looking better all of time; i.e., looking better for everybody except central control dictators.

    VICTORY IN A BID TO QUIT EU
    Monday October 3,2011
    By Macer Hall

    THE Daily Express crusade for Britain to quit the European Union scored a huge victory yesterday when MPs agreed to hold an historic debate on the issue.It means Parliament will vote on whether there should be a referendum on Britain’s continued membership of the EU.

    And pressure intensified on David Cameron over Europe last night when an opinion poll showed that a massive 62 per cent of voters believe the time is right for an EU referendum.

    The survey, by pollsters YouGov for the Vote UK Out Of EU Campaign, also found that a majority of voters (51 per cent) would vote Yes to Britain cutting ties with Brussels for good.

    MPs last night praised the Daily Express crusade for ensuring public fury over the spiralling cost and meddling of the EU could no longer be ignored by Westminster.

    TO SIGN UP TO OUR PETITION FOR A REFERENDUM ON THE EU CLICK HERE

    Tory backbencher Peter Bone said: “The key reason we are going to have this debate is because of the hundreds of thousands of people who have supported the Daily Express’s petition. Well done to the Daily Express for campaigning so hard on this issue.”

    And fellow Tory backbencher Douglas Carswell said: “It is thanks to the Daily Express highlighting this issue and spearheading the campaign that this debate is being held.

    “The European Union is a mess. We have got to let the people decide whether we stay in or leave.”

    The Parliamentary debate, which will be held before Christmas, is being organised by the Commons Backbench Business Committee in response to a series of petitions on the issue, particularly the Daily Express’s 373,000-name petition calling for Britain to quit the EU.

    And more than 33,000 people have backed a petition, organised by the Daily Express, on the official Government website calling for a national referendum on the issue. It could give the country its first chance to have a say on UK links with Brussels since the 1975 referendum confirming Britain’s membership of the Common Market.

    Mr Bone, who is a member of the Backbench Business Committee, said: “MPs must be given a free vote and there should be no whipping by the Prime Minister or other the party leaders. This is a huge international issue and MPs must be able to speak out freely.”

    Ministerial sources yesterday claimed that the vote would not be binding on the Government.

    But a committee source said: “That is nonsense. This vote would be Parliament speaking and Parliament is sovereign. This vote cannot be ignored.”

    And the YouGov poll yesterday made clear the strength of public feeling over Britain’s EU membership. The poll found that 68 per cent of those who voted Tory at the last election want Britain to leave the EU.

    And 74 per cent of Tory voters want a referendum on Britain’s membership of Europe. It found that 50 per cent believe EU membership has been “totally negative” for Britain and 65 per cent are “totally opposed” to Britain’s involvement in any further eurozone bailouts.

    The groundswell of Tories behind the referendum campaign yesterday sent a stark message to David Cameron on the first day of the Conservative Conference in Manchester.

    And more Tories are due to speak out on the issue today at a conference fringe meeting organised by the Daily Express and the TaxPayers’ Alliance.

    Senior Tory MPs and anti-EU campaigners will feature at the public meeting on “We Need To Talk About Europe” at the city’s Bridgewater Hall. But Mr Cameron attempted to brush aside the issue yesterday by insisting most people in Britain wanted the country to stay in the EU.

    He said on BBC1’s Andrew Marr Show: “It’s not our view that there should be an in/out referendum. I don’t want Britain to leave the EU. I think it’s the wrong answer for Britain. What most people want in this country is not actually to leave the EU, but to reform the EU and make sure that the balance of powers between a country like Britain and Europe is better.”

    Mr Cameron said that he wanted to use future treaties to negotiate the return of powers from Brussels to Westminster.

    But he said that this was an ambition “for the longer term” and there was no immediate prospect of treaty changes to make it possible. It did not form part of the current renegotiation of treaties which will keep Britain out of the eurozone bail-out mechanism, he said.

    Backbench committee chairman Natascha Engel, a Labour MP, said: “Given the crisis in the eurozone, this issue has become more relevant than ever. There is a clear majority of backbench MPs who want to debate this and we have to respond to that.

    “The EU today is completely different from the one the British people voted to join in 1975. It is time to examine the position again.”

    Mr Cameron enraged Euro-sceptics by claiming that “most people” in Britain did not want the country to quit the EU.

    In his interview on the Andrew Marr Show, the Prime Minister claimed that an EU referendum was the “wrong answer for Britain,” adding: “What most people want in this country, I believe, is not actually to leave the European Union, but to reform the European Union and make sure the balance of powers between a country like Britain and Europe is better.”

    But UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage said of Mr Cameron: “He says he believes most people do not want to leave the EU but to reform it.

    “How can he possibly know that without asking the great British public?”

    He went on: “On the issue of the EU it is clear that the Prime Minister is no more than a confidence trickster.”

    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/275155
     
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    I truly hope the UK gets out of the EU and rejoins the Anglosphere.
     

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