The left wing cant join the anti-islam movement because its flooded with Fascists

Islam stands against everything the left wing stands for, so of course a lot of people are wondering why the left wing wont join in the movement against Islam, well, its because its flooded to the brim with racist Fascists who are worse than the Muslims.

https://news.vice.com/article/thous...-city-of-dresden?utm_source=vicenewsyou tube

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If the fascists get out of the way, which I doubt they will, than the left wing will join in the movement against Islam. Until than, since the Christian fascists have such immense power, you will continue to find left wingers defending Islam either because they see fascists throwing rocks at them or because they see Islam as having a common enemy, Fascist Christians. There are still plenty of us left wingers who will always be anti-islam, as we are anti-religion in general, but until these Fascists stop hijacking the movement do not count on our absolute support. The fact the left wing is not helping is the Fascists fault, not our fault. Get rid of the Fascists and stop condoning them and we will be able to join, but you guys wont do that because you ARE fascists too.

 

those anti riots are not against Islam, its culture protection of Germany there old rule and order your getting them twisted and confused with single focus hatred which they are not, these are off the hook front line shock troops.

 

The irony here is that the refusal of the Left to take a stand against the abuses of Islam is partially what leads to more racists and fascists.

I'm right-leaning, not a racist or a fascist, but from my point of view it seems like people who have legitimate and well reasoned points of opposition against Islam are looking for a nucleus of people to join in that opposition. Sadly, when racists and fascists seem to be the most vocal and energetic nucleus out there, people who would not otherwise be associated with racism or fascism are finding themselves drawn to that crowd.

In times of crisis people tend to gravitate towards political extremes (and a host of problems can potentially come from this); a great way to avoid potential problems is by ending the crisis, or stopping it before it happens. And right now European leadership that ignores the clear and present danger of militant Islam in European societies are enabling the formation of a crisis.

If European leaders simply acknowledged the problems instead of repeating the "This has nothing to do with Islam..." nonsense after every terrorist attack, this would open the door to conversation where moderates can moderate the discourse, and maybe something sensible can come out of all of this.

But no, I doubt this will happen and instead European leadership will be stubborn to the end, forfeiting the opportunity to resolve these issues in the most amicable way possible. If nothing changes it's my grim assessment that we will eventually see European societies fracture and look like war torn Balkan nations divided along political, ethnic, and religious grounds. The day may simply come when waking up to hear about shootings (like Charlie Hebdo) or bombings on European streets will be as common as waking up to hear about rain and cold temperatures on the weather report. It will become part of every day life, and what a sad day that will be.

 

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Its a two way streak though, when people see openly racist fascists attacking a group (Islam in this case) they likely know little about and are predominately brown skinned, they feel bad for them so to people ignorant of all the facts what they see is *White fascists throwing rocks at brown Muslims*, so their natural reaction is to stick up for those Muslims because they are a minority group being picked on by fascists. The best way to solve this is to point out both sides are fascist, and both sides are wrong. Secularism is the answer, not Christianity or Islam. We learned this during the Enlightenment, its really not that hard of a concept to grasp.

I think it mostly depends on the economy, if it tanks like great depression levels we may see the world ending in a nuclear blast, or at the very least intense warfare between both industrialized and non-industrialized countries. Do you think its possible for two large powers with nukes to fight without launching nukes? I honestly have no clue, im split 50/50. An Islamic or Christian nation however, I do believe would use nukes because they believe if they die they will go to paradise, the only thing that stops people from using Nukes is the knowledge they will die too, Muslims and Christians dont believe they ever die If nukes are ever used again I guarantee it will be by a Theocracy who believes in eternal life even after death.

 

The left can't take a stand against Islam. They have forced this political correctness and tolerance of everything upon us and now we need to live with the results. They can't admit that they are wrong.

 

Do you not realize how many left wingers despise Islam, and religion in general? You are delusional if you think all liberals are on board with tolerating intolerance (Islam). Yes there is a good chunk that does do that, and people like Bill Maher and Sam Harris say they arent sticking up for liberal principles like they should be they should be against Islam, liberals are split in half on this by no means is a majority ok with defending Islam no matter what.

 

No, I don't. In fact every timesomeone calls out Islam, some left winger jumps in to defend them and slam Christianity. It appears the left just despises Christian and Jewish religions.

 

When CHRISTIANS attack Islam than yes you attack Christianity because they are equally ridiculous and ready for war, different forms of war but war nonetheless, but indeed about half of the liberals take it too far and actually begin defending Islam when they should absolutely never do that, you can defend Muslims fine, but not Islam its extremely illiberal. Not all liberals do this, look at the Bill Maher and Ben Afleck debate on youtube or what Bill Maher said about the Paris attack on Jimmy Kimmel last night, not its not "just" Bill Maher who believes this a (*)(*)(*)(*) ton of liberals are backing him, but the Ben Afleck type liberals (limousine liberals) are attacking Bill Maher. Liberals are fighting against each other over Islam, trust me just watch those videos I told you to look up you will see yourself

 

Except for the fact that Christians aren't roaming the world looking to inflict terror on non believers. Nearly every act of terrorism today is perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam. You can't make the same claim about Christians and any Christian faith.

 

I have to point out the obvious here. Notice the difference between the European right and the American right. Notice how these people's behavior is much closer to what we see on the left in America among anti-police protesters, Ferguson rioters, and Occupy Wall Streeters a few years back. I'd also be willing to bet that many of them also believe in some form of national socialism.

Any way you slice it, they're still lefties by American standards. And in true leftist fashion, they are violent thugs.

 

The left cannot protest against Islam because they have chosen Muslims as a protected victim group. The Left is all about victim groups and standing up for them floods them with a feeling of satisfaction and self-worth. The few that actually tell the truth, like Bill Maher, are called out and castigated for their 'intolerance.'

The other irony is that a lot of problems that Muslims have with America actually come from the left. Gay rights, women's rights, children's rights, open displays of sexuality and other aspects of the Left are a part of why America is known as the Great Satan. Even mainstream liberal values like free speech have to be taken up by conservatives because the left is conflicted about defending them. There's quite a bit of misdirection and spin being applied to keep the blind spot up about the intolerance on display from one of their cherished victim groups.

Lastly, the really cynical view of the Left and Islam, is that the Left is forming an alliance with Islam and Muslims to harm America, mainly conservative and Christian America, and capitalism, following the 'enemy of my enemy' doctrine. How they think they are going to wrest control back from their Islamic co-conspirators when the job is done is the unbelievable part.

So the Left's relationship with Islam and Islamofascists is quite complicated. Very.

 

The Islamists see the Left as useful idiots from their point of view. They'll accept the Left's hospitality and protection when they are in the minority, but when they have amassed more power the Leftists will be the first to go because the Islamists hate more of what the Left stands for than the Right.

 

Sorry, but that's one of the more ridiculous political premises I've seen on PF.

Thank you for admitting it's party over country, for you.

 

There needs to be a rule.
You can't use the word "fascist" unless you can demonstrate you actually understand what it means.

And no, it doesn't just mean "generally bad bad people with tattoos and no hair that I don't agree with".
Those "fascist" in Germany, self identified or otherwise, probably fail this test. All their pretensions are just a vain attempt to be cool and edgy.

Real fascism is already here, and actively practiced by the US government since the early 2000s.

 

I'm gonna call it earlier than that. Mid-60's. Coalescing sometime during the 80's, around the middle maybe.

Because next, we got.... the Three Stooges! And Gramm-Leach-Bliley, and then the Patriot Act, and etc etc. No need to run down the list, yes?

 

This is an absurd argument. Can the left not oppose rape because Fascists oppose rape? The real reason the left cannot oppose Islamic invasion is because they are responsible for it.

What do you even mean by Fascism anyway?

 

100% correct

 

This is the left that were murdered yesterday for standing up to Islamic Radicals?

 

Not too bright, are they. Not a well-thought-out plan at all.

 

You would be correct what are called Right wingers or Fascist in Europe are, by and large, little more than socialists who wish to restrict all those wonderful social programs to people whose grandparents, were born in the country. Read the economic plans of Le Pen, BNP, and most of the other right wing groups organized enough to have written one up, in Europe and what you find is various admixtures of socialism and populist economic claptrap.

 

Fascists will not just go away, so Islam should most definitely be fought by the Left.

Don't recall the Soviets having this kind of problem, no, they would just deal with it effectively - liberal pandering does nothing

 

Blaaaaahhhhhh!!!

This thread is so damn ridiculous...

 

Only 1% of the population of a Euro nation should be allowed to be Muslim - that would sort things out