The Not so Subtle Moral Decay of the US Military

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  1. Mac-7

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    The democrats on your side who only wanted to accommodate the soviets
     
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    Abortion is a domestic issue

    No one on the pro-life side in America is forcing African women to have children they cant feed
     
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    You are making no sense at all.
     
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    You’d have to know more American history to understand
     
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    anti military zealots love to put it in terms of "discretionary spending". Ignoring the bigger point that the spending on entitlement programs is far more than U.S. military spending.

    The U.S. military is not structured nor intended to defend U.S. territory. Nor should it as the United States is not defensible within its own borders. It would be like allowing a football team the ball on your one yard line and expecting your defense to prevent them from scoring on you indefinitely. Can't be done.
     
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    Embracing idiotic and discredited conspiracy theories in no way is an indication of intelligence or intellectual maturity.
     
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    Military spending is about 15% of the federal budget

    The dollars spent on the military come from the same place that food stamps and medicaid come from
     
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    BS the same argument could be made for every country on the planet. Complete BS The military is out of control and is in the buisness of mass murder for profit.
     
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    The U.S. military in terms of manpower and weapons systems is about 40% smaller than it was in 1991.

    How is that "out of control". Yeah it costs more than it did but perhaps you've heard of something called "inflation".
     
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    Spending is broken down into discretionary, what we can control, and non discretionary which we cannot. Of the monies we can control the military eats up way too much to be justified. In addition it creates immoral wars simply to justify its existence and budgets. We can no longer afford monetarily or morally an institution that lies to its people in order to commit mass murder for profit.
     
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    The military has been grossly over inflated since the 1950's when Eisenhower told us it was out of control.
     
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    Eisenhower never claimed that. Nor did Eisenhower ever propose large scale cuts in U.S. defense spending. In fact, in the same speech where Eisenhower made his too famous "military-industrial-government complex" statement... he went on to defend the U.S. maintaining a large conventional military.

    You really need to read the whole thing.
     
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    We can control all spending

    Congress simply chooses to leave some spending on autopilot
     
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    Can you list and give details about precisely which wars the U.S. military created? Which is utterly ridiculous as professional soldiers of the U.S. military at just about every level (including generals and admirals) are just about the most anti war people you could possibly imagine.
     
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    "The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

    We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."

    Since that time the "iron triangle" consisting of the military contractors who bribe government using lobbyist and campaign contributions, the government who is for sale to the highest bidder, and the bureaucracy that is un-elected and consistently seeking to increase its own illegitimate powers have conspired to lie and deceive the American people to support every war from Korea to the War on Terror. They have manufactured incidences such as the Gulf of Tonkin, and Weapons of Mass Destruction to justify mass murder of millions of people without justification. They have bypassed the Constitution and pursued these wars without the approval of the American people. They have even turned their weapons on the American people themselves for daring to challenge them.
    The military industrial complex is a criminal cartel responsible for the worst military atrocities in the past 60 years.
     
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    LOL.. no, the Souther Poverty Law Center long ago gave up on that and simply started delivering hate with impunity on those they decided didn't follow their own tyrannical vision. Yes. today, the SPLC are very much a modern manifestation of domestic terror.
     
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    And your version is what?

    Kill the unwanted so you don't have to look at them..

    Deride the soldiers because they shut down your evil tyranny...

    Artificially legislate barriers to competition so your wealth can never be diluted and F the rest..

    yes, we see what democrats/liberals are really for these days...
     
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    Stop projecting.. your behavior is lame.
     
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    Sure Robert, whatever you say...
     
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    that's the truth.. we had no control over Diem so we let the Vietnamese get rid of him
     
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    Excellent breakdown of the various spendings, but Israel is not mentioned, yet, they receive billions every year...

    U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel

    This report provides an overview of U.S. foreign assistance to Israel. It includes a review of past aid programs, data on annual assistance, and analysis of current issues. For general information on Israel, see Israel: Background and U.S. Relations in Brief, by Jim Zanotti: Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II.
    To date, the United States has provided Israel $142.3 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance and missile defense funding.
    Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although from 1971 to 2007 Israel also received significant economic assistance.
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    The Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2019, provides the following for Israel:
    $3.3 billion in Foreign Military Financing (FMF),
    of which $815.3 million is for off-shore procurement;
    $5 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance (MRA) for refugee resettlement.
    $2 million in a homeland security grant;
    Reauthorization of U.S. loan guarantees to Israel through September 30, 2023; and Reauthorization of War Reserve Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I) through Sept 30, 2020.P.L. 115-245,the Department of Defense and Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education Appropriations Act, 2019 and Continuing Appropriations Act, 2019, provides the following for Israel:
    $500 million in missile defense, of which $70 million is for Iron Dome,
    $187 million for David’s Sling,
    $80 million for Arrow 3, and
    $163 million for Arrow 2.
    For FY 2020, the Trump Administration requested $3.3 billion in FMF for Israel and
    $500 million in missile defense aid to mark the second year of the MOU.
    The Administration also requested $5 million in MRA humanitarian funding for migrants to Israel.


    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf
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    This generosity is indeed very unusual, but probably deemed necessary!!! It looks like, Israel's share is included in the defense and other budgets.

    https://ifamericansknew.org/stat/cost.html
     
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    Tell that to some virgin child who wasn't there, please.
     
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    Sudan People's Liberation Army - Wikipedia

    he Sudan People's Liberation Army is the army of the Republic of South Sudan. The SPLA was founded as a guerrilla movement against the government of Sudan in 1983 and was a key participant of the Second Sudanese Civil War. Throughout the war, it was led by John Garang.

    Following John Garang's death in 2005, Salva Kiir was named the new Commander-in-Chief of SPLA. Following South Sudan's independence in 2011, the SPLA became the new republic's regular army. As of 2018, the SPLA was e…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan_People's_Liberation_Army
     
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    I do not support US taxpayer suppport of Israel in any way.
     
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