The Ongoing Black on White Rape Epidemic

Ref. Post #1;

Given the countless number of black women raped by white men in the past maybe some black guys see nothing wrong in raping white women today. The white guys got away with it so why can't the black guys get away with the same behavior? Besides, it's not like they're raping millions of white women like the white guys raped millions of black women.

Maybe you should start seeing people simply as people instead of as members of racial groups. Constantly whining about issues from a racial pov does nothing to unify the nation. Space aliens could be invading and some people would still be whining about their fellow citizen because he's of a different race. Give it a break.

 

I don't buy the statistics. First of all those are reported rapes not convicted rapes. Many women cry rape who were not actually raped and sometimes racism is involved when claiming a male perpetrator was Black. Also the idea that White men don't EVER rape Black women is ridiculous. I've seen these stats and for a few years the White male on Black female rape count is in the low thousands and others it's close to zero...or zero (yeah right ). I think it's likely that more Black men rape White women than White men rape Black women. A plausible explanation for this is that there are just more White women in the United States to victimize than Black women. White people make up over 70% of the population so of course with so many more White women than any other group of women out there most of the interracial victims of rape are going to be White women. Also there are more Black men around White women than there are White men around Black women in America. The chance for victimization that is White male on Black female is simply greater.

However for ALL crimes Black people victimize White people at a lesser rate than chance would allow.

The Color of Deception by Tim Wise

Now as far as the "warrior gene" is concerned and Black men being innately more prone to rape that's just racist pseudoscience. We can throw that idea out the window, especially considering all the raping White men did to Black women during slavery. I also don't buy that the media is full of anti-White propaganda fixated on making White men look like buffoons in front of intelligent Black men. I think you're reading too much in to your examples than is reality.

The rape stories you mentioned as horrific as they are (and all rape is) are being used as shock stories by racist propagandists to make it look like all Black people are savages and Black men have an insatiable lust for White women.
There's no evidence for that and statistically White men are more likely to rape White women than Black men are.

If there is an epidemic of Black men raping White women we need to look at the culture that breeds rapists and take steps to greatly reduce the number of rapes being committed. Just claiming Black men are prone to rape spreads racism and doesn't help the situation.

 

We were speaking of affirmative action and you ignored that context when responding to my quote.

Now it's not, it's simply transferring racist discrimination from one group member to another.

Already explained.

No they don't. You admitted that when you said some definitions refer to superiority of races and others don't.

So what? You still used the idea of justice when trying to explain the purpose of AA.

Which is a prejudiced attitude against the group, which affects the individual of that group who is applying for a job. In post # 206 you said the following: "In this case the person is discriminating based on his own prejudices against blacks. That is racist." How is this different?

 

Maybe because whites culturally place more value on things like education, hard work, etc? Maybe because whites are more likely to grow up in two parent households, stay out of jail, and graduate high school.

 

Let's see these statistics that show thousands of black women being raped by white men.

Someone already argued that. It doesn't work unless you admit that black men have a much higher likelihood of committing rape and represent a concentrated threat of rape, otherwise that selection limitation (since there are also less blacks in society than whites) would include black perpetrators as well. And, it doesn't explain how the number of white men raping black women would be a statistical zero. There are tens of millions of black women and just over a hundred million white men. If it was all just a matter of statistical likelihood of whites crossing the paths of blacks, I'd expect more than 0 per year, as these statistics show.

Tim Wise gives no details on the metrics he used to calculate what the "random chance" would be, nor does he even indicate what that random chance is. Considering what a hack this guy is, I'm not confident in his rationale. He's just telling you what you want to hear and it sounds good. Although he at least agrees with me that blacks victimize whites at a much higher rate than the reverse.

They may not be necessarily prone to do it, but they are doing it at a high rate. Perhaps through black culture, which frequently denigrates women as "hoes", black men have it in their heads that women are easy and cheap? Is that a possibility?

I disagree that it doesn't help the situation. If people actually took notice of this problem and talked about it, then maybe enough pressure can be applied to change things. But that's not going to happen when apologists like you try to reassure everyone else that there isn't a problem going on, simply because you're a black person playing defense for your "team".

 

Why should societies be based on race, our one attribute we didn't pick and can't change?

 

Doing unto others as you would like them to do unto you is not self-hating, Brewster. It is egalitarian. I share affinity and commonality with such people. Will you understand that the perspective underlying your questions is warped, euphemistically speaking, during your lifetime? We are on this earth for a finite (and woefully short) number of decades. Any supposed legacy that we leave can be erased, any inheritance squandered, any impression eroded. Everything physical is temporal; including the progeny for which you labor. Given this fact, why are we here and what is important? Could it be that this is just a test and there is something everlasting that is spiritual and far more significant than race (or culture) or anything that we can experience in the physical realm?

What difference will it make whether we were white or black or Native American, or Indian or Hispanic, after we have given up the ghost? Your organic skin will decompose; just like mine. The same will happen to every other member of each "race" and the silly racial superiority that you seem to have made your mission will be a remote and useless apparition; a haunting reminder of time and intelligence that you squandered trying to prove that your feeble existence was somehow better than mine. What a cruel joke you would have played on yourself. What a twisted delusion. What a sad and demented state. So no, "we" don't laugh at liberals but people who believe in racial supremacy scoff at themselves.

 

http://nypost.com/2013/08/04/pay-up-time-for-brawley-87-rape-hoaxer-finally-shells-out-for-slander/

yep.

 

"Are poor black people also more likely to be multi-generational democrats?"

This helps to explain why those who vote democrat should expect to continue to be poor. The democratic party is the party of massive, economically damaging government. When government has it boot on the neck of the wealth creators there are fewer opportunities and fewer jobs.

When government has been restored to its Constitutional limits opportunity might return.

 

I hope you know that "wealth creators" is a status symbol term used by the rich and has no basis in economics. IE: the economy is consumption based.

And frankly, the message you should have received is how many people vote contrary to their own interests.

 

Your silly argument has gone on long enough and I'm about to destroy in with facts, logical reason, and the apparently not-so-common common sense. Maybe I'll get a few likes in the process...

1. Most rape victims are raped by somebody they know
https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-offenders

2. Black Americans typically have more white friends than the converse. So therefore it's understandable (from a statistical analysis), although unacceptable, that more blacks would rape whites, than white on black rape.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...rs-of-whites-dont-have-any-non-white-friends/

3. Finally, and most importantly--who cares? Women are sexually assaulted at a rate that is unacceptable in an egalitarian society. I doubt a victim has ever said thank God a member of my "own" race is raping me. Your signature implies races are better off separated. Fortunately this great Nation of ours continues to prove you wrong. Out of many, one....

 

Here's a list from the same source as yours for interracial rape statistics over a 10 year period courtesy of a Stormfront poster (because we all know that racists fixate on such issues).

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t569916/

U.S. Justice Department 2006 rape statistics URL: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0602.pdf
Scroll to Table 42. --> 32,443 White women raped by Negro men, zero Negro women raped by White men.

U.S. Justice Department 2005 rape statistics URL: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0502.pdf
Scroll to Table 42. --> 37,460 White women raped by Negroes, zero Negro women raped by White men.

U.S. Justice Department 2004 rape statistics URL: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0402.pdf
Scroll to Table 42. --> 11,611 White women raped by Negro men, zero Negro women raped by White men.

U.S. Justice Department 2003 rape statistics URL: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0302.pdf
Scroll to Table 42. --> 20,309 White women raped by Negro men, zero Negro women raped by White men.

U.S. Justice Department 2002 rape statistics URL: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0202.pdf
Scroll to Table 42. --> 17,572 White women raped by Negro men, 8,447 Negro women raped by White men.

U.S. Justice Department 2001 rape statistics URL: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0102.pdf
Scroll to Table 42. --> 31,320 White women raped by Negro men, 4,017 Negro women raped by White men.

U.S. Justice Department 2000 rape statistics URL: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0002.pdf
Scroll to Table 42. --> 13,955 White women raped by Negro men, 2,364 Negro women raped by White men.

U.S. Justice Department 1999 rape statistics URL: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus9902.pdf
Scroll to Table 42. --> 20,003 White women raped by Negro men, zero Negro women raped by White men.

U.S. Justice Department 1998 rape statistics URL: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus9802.pdf
Scroll to Table 42. --> 22,307 White women raped by Negro men, 3,414 Negro women raped by White men.

U.S. Justice Department 1997 rape statistics URL: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus9702.pdf
Scroll to Table 42. --> 18,784 White women raped by Negro men, zero Negro women raped by White men.

U.S. Justice Department 1996 rape statistics URL: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus9602.pdf
Scroll to Table 42. --> 19,070 White women raped by Negro men, 6,060 Negro women raped by White men.

Now again I question the authenticity of these statistics. How can the number of rapes go from thousands of Black women raped one year to statistically zero? I think the compiling of these stats is questionable. Again these are reported rapes not convicted rapes. Many rapes go unreported and sometimes women falsely accuse people of rape. Also I believe sexual assault is included in these stats which includes inappropriate touching so not all of these incidents involve actual rape. The statistics are not reliable.

Black people make up about 13% of the population in the United States (about 39 million). Less than half of them are adult Black women so no there aren't tens of millions of Black women in the USA. As I showed above the stats on White on Black rapes by the FBI aren't reliable but even if the notion that Black men rape more White women than White men rape Black women an obvious cause is there being more White women available to rape.

He's using the number of each demographic to make a comparison between how many Whites are available to be victimized by Blacks and vice versa. The stats clearly indicate that Whites are being victimized at a lower rate than chance would allow. Your name-calling doesn't refute his argument.

At a lower rate than chance would allow actually.

Certainly the gangsta rape culture is sending a negative message to Black youth about how to treat women. Bad parenting and negative societal influences are also a factor. I suspect that drug abuse and physical abuse by parents contributes to young Black men committing rape.

I didn't say that talking about the problem wasn't a good idea I'm saying that trying to demonize Black people by claiming they are innately prone to rape is just spreading racism which isn't helpful and that is exactly what racists are trying to do. You yourself speculated that Black men have violence genes that make them genetically more prone to rape. How is that not playing offense for team racist?

 

Let's agree to disagree. I am certain that in your scheme there are no differences between those of us who create things of value and those who consume what others have created. As long as you have your Obamaphone you are happy.

Yes. Democrats do consistently vote against their own interest, or would if they were interested in liberty and freedom.

 

It has nothing to do with "making me feel better", and has everything to do with generalizing entire "groups" of people based on the actions of criminals, or extremists, or whatever you want to call it.

Contrary to what some of the far right believes, most blacks aren't criminals. Most are just regular people trying to make a living just like white people. Yet, if one black guy robs a bank, the entire black community in America is to blame for it.

 

The total number of forcible rape in 2012 was reported to be 13,886 by the FBI. Of these, whites and blacks accounted for 9,027 cases (65.0%) and 4,512 cases (32.5%) respectively. Blacks currently make up 12.61% of the US population and rape statistics show that African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for committing forcible rape than other races but the vast majority of perpetrators are white Americans. Moreover, white women are three times more likely to report a rape than black women and the statistics may have been skewed by cultural differences.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

 

One thing I've always said with regards to black and white crime is the HUGE difference in sizes between the two populations.

Last I checked, "non Hispanic whites" were something like 62% of the population, compared to "non Hispanic blacks" being about 13%. So, since it's VERY clear that there are way more white people compared to black people in America, is it not logical to assume that the majority of victims of ANY crimes would be white? Why would there be more black victims of white crime, compared to white victims of black crime, if there are WAYYY more white people in this country compared to blacks?

And then of course there is the fact that most crimes committed against whites is in fact done by other whites. But for some reason right wing racists and race baiters NEVER want to talk about that. It's almost as if some racist agenda against blacks and other ethnic minorities is being pushed, eh?

 

Saying that a group of people have a statistical problem with something is not the same as saying every single person in that group has that issue. What would you liberals do if you didn't have that strawman?

When it is very evident that the black community has an issue with crime, the thing that someone who cared about the black community would do, is to address how to make the community better. Repeating the mantra "they aren't all like that", when no one said they were, reeks of smug self-righteousness, and worse, it distracts from actually addressing the issue and helping that community. So come down off your high horse, and address the problem.

 

The conservative thinkers are basically idiots, because even whites who vote for the GOP are hardly small government conservatives.

Nixon, Reagan, Ford, and both Bushes are far from "small government conservatives". And the same white people who claim to support small government conservatism, will go out and vote for a McCain or a Romney.

As a white guy, I do chuckle at other whites who claim to love small government conservatism, and yet their voting patterns over the years indicate the complete opposite.

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Okay, you win. How do you address the problem without making unfair generalizations?

 

Societies generally self-segregate all on their own. This can be seen across the country, where racial groups generally stay in areas where they comprise a large percentage of the population. At the city level, look at Chicago, where whites, blacks and Hispanics each occupy a separate portion of the city. Even at a neighborhood level, certain areas of town are likely to have concentrations of different races. Prisoners almost always self-segregate.

It's a natural preference. Even infants naturally prefer people who look like their parents. It's not until later on that people are exposed to multicultural propaganda convince themselves that we're all just a big brotherhood of man with nothing but melanin separating us all.

Go take a trek through South Chicago late at night, as a white person, and then come back and tell me that you prefer a society like that.

 

Yes, we're all going to die. That's not exactly a mindblowing piece of information you just dropped. In the meantime, however, one can believe that people generally get along better amongst their own people without believing in "racial supremacy".

 

So what?

So more white women are being raped because they are more likely to have black friends?

Your first point is that they are more likely to be raped by someone they know... not necessarily by one of their friends. The two points do not necessarily go together as you seem to be implying.

The women being raped/sexually assaulted, probably.

I think it's actually proving me right. Diversity looks nice from the safety and security of a gated white neighborhood, especially when they vote for the party that you support. Try living there.

 

I live in NYC.

We have a very large black community, including a large poor black community.

I don't know of a single white woman who has ever been raped by a black man.

Epidemic? my ass.

 

Literally not one of those links work so I can't verify them. However, assuming they are true, it's important to note that "whites" count almost all Hispanic crimes when Hispanics are the offenders. Government statistics will usually separate Hispanics as a victim class when they are victimized, but when they commit a crime, they add to the "white" tally. Since blacks and Hispanics typically live near each other in areas that are said to be "disadvantaged" (where many of you say these crimes are more likely to occur), I'd wager that many of these crimes are occurring between blacks and Hispanics.

But regardless, my point about blacks raping/sexually assaulting white women still shows a disproportionately high number, regardless of the year in question.

There were nearly 310 million people in 2010. 13% of this number is over 40 million. Assuming black women are 50% of the population (unless you have some data that shows they are less numerous than black men), then yes, there are tens of millions of black women as I claimed.

He gives absolutely no data on what "chance" would allow. He's simply guessing.

See above.

Agreed.

So what's causing all the violence among black people? The "historical oppression" card doesn't work because blacks are violent in areas where they were never held down by the white man. Why is this phenomenon of young black men committing the lion's share of a country's violent crime something that seems to happen in any country with a high black population?

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Argument from authority, logical fallacy.

 

I noticed that. It was posted years ago.

That's just a guess on your part. Either way the figures are highly suspicious.

Half of 40 million is 20 million so we're talking about 20 million at the most which would include children.

No, he's basing it on the percentage of the White demographic compared to the percentage of Whites being victimized by violent Black offenders. Whites are actually being victimized by Blacks at a lower percentage than chance would allow.

Which populations where Blacks are a minority does the population NOT descend from groups that were historically oppressed?

Which population of Blacks did not either experience slavery, segregation/apartheid or colonialism?

 

Your intolerance clouds your analysis. Bottom line--victims of rape are devastated by the rape, not the race. Furthermore, because most people know, socially, people from the same race/ethnicity they are far more likely to be raped from the same race/ethnicity as themselves.

Cite one example of a woman who regrets being raped by the "wrong' race