The overflowing scourge, Isaiah 28. Poll.

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How many times does the overflowing scourge have to pass before Christians notice it?

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  3. 7 to 12 times

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  4. even when the dead are resurrected, Christians still won't notice

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  1. Aryeh B.

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    Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

    Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner [stone,] a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

    Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

    And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

    From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

    For the bed is shorter than that [a man] can stretch himself [on it:] and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself [in it.]

    For the LORD shall rise up as [in] mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as [in] the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.

    Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.


    (Isaiah 28:15-22)

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    The diagram is taken from here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
     
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    Tough to say what the scourge is or will be. Many Christians thought it was HIV and AIDS. I'm wondering if it's not an illness or pestilence. But, maybe it is a spiritual illness such as confusing our conscience shaped by social norms rather than being shaped by the Light of Christ? The LGBTQ movement to me has become an overflowing scourge that is causing harm to mainly young people and their belief in God and their activity in their Churches. It's caused many so-called Christian churches to pervert the Word of God to approve of the reprobate mind of LGBTQ persons.
     
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    AIDS and LGBT people do not have a period of incidence three times a year, while covid epidemics follow three times a year, as in the prophecy of Isaiah. Morning, day and night, but not evening. Covid waves are similar: spring, summer and winter, but no fall. This is the picture for two years in a row. This is enough to identify the bends in the curves of cases and deaths as the bends of God's "scourge" in Isaiah's prophecy.
     
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    I don't read the meaning of spring, summer, winter blah, blah, blah as specific times of a swing of a scourge. It means it's year around year after year. Not swings of a disease. It's a disease (spiritual) that has caught on through every time of the year. And, Fall doesn't have to be mentioned. To picky. LGBTQ is a scourge. It was in Paul's day as it was in Moses day. (Romans chapter 1). The difference is these are the last days Isaiah prophesied about. Isaiah was speaking of a spiritual scourge on society controlled by society that controls and shapes our conscience.
     
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    Spiritual interpretation does not explain the details of the prophecy about every "morning," "day," and "night," except for "evening." There are no unnecessary details in Scripture, if you interpret in a spiritual sense, then you need to interpret the details. For example, we take to interpret Isaiah 66:20 —

    Then they shall bring all your brethren from all the nations as a grain offering to the LORD, on horses, in chariots, in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem," says the LORD, "just as the sons of Israel bring their grain offering in a clean vessel to the house of the LORD.

    Everything makes sense here. "Horses" are Christians. "Chariots" are Christian states. "Litters " is atheists, an empty space from the point of view of God. "Mules" are mullahs, Islam (a hybrid of a donkey and a horse). "Camels" are Jews (which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.). All these categories of people will facilitate the gathering of the elect in the Third Temple.
     
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    Well, night is evening. At least in my world. We say, "good night" or we say "good evening." It can mean the same thing within the same context of "adios amigos." And, it just means simply the scourge won't go away day after day, week after week, year after year until the 2nd coming of the Lord.

    As far as 66:20, where do you get any idea that a horse refers to Christians and camels are Jews? Who taught you that? The methods of motion to bring all people from the nations of the Earth are stated as horses (ever ride a horse) chariots and so on. Of course, these are names of vehicles that we move around in today or within these the last days since 1820. If Isaiah had said cars, trucks, boats and planes, the people of his time wouldn't have known a thing of what he's talking about. Mules are mullahs??? The definition of a Mullah is "An educated Muslim trained in the religious law and doctrine and usually holding an official post." It has nothing to do with Mules or donkeys. Good grief Charlie Brown!
     
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    Of course, horses are Christians. The Bible clearly indicates this. The equestrian army of two hundred million in Revelation, starting in the 5th century, when the original Church died to God and Christianity began to serve Caesars. Since that time, in Christianity, not the sheep of God, but horses. Sheep have cloven hooves because they have a separation of soul and spirit. And horses have not split hooves, spirit and soul together. This is the image of today's Christians; they do not distinguish between the sensual and the spiritual.

    I have compared thee, O my love, to a company of horses in Pharaoh’s chariots.

    Such a Church became a force for the authority of the Antichrist. Antichrists, Caesars, Popes and Presidents rule the Christian religion until the Rapture of the Church arrives. And Islam is a hybrid of donkeys with Christianity.

    How bizarre you manage to interpret everything upside down! When Isaiah talks about the Covid-19 epidemic, you are suggesting that it is about spiritual. And when Isaiah writes about the gathering of the elect in the Third Temple, which will be facilitated by people of different religions and faiths, then you think that it is talking about cars.
     
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    You assume too much. First, why the 5th century when the great apostasy began? It began after John the Revelator's disappearance happened. There were no more prophets or apostles. God ceased at that time to speak to his people through his servants, the Prophets (Amos 3:7). There was no more authority and the true Priesthood no longer existed when the Bible was composed. My belief is that John did not die but was allowed to tarry until the Lord's return and that he was there at the Council of Nicene. The Light of Christ as well as the Holy Ghost helped with putting together the Bible as well.

    As far as the 3rd temple, there will be one build by the Jews in Jerusalem before the Lord parts the Mount of Olives and stands there ready to protect and stop those who want to destroy Israel again. But, it's not a temple that all religions will use. So, why would Muslims and Hindus come to it? Of course people will come. But, I'd think it would simply be those who believe in the Lord (Jehovah = Jesus). And, you have Camels in there. I have "swift beasts." Again, I think it is simply Isaiah seeing the Lord's people coming to the Temple in vehicles and Isaiah is simply describing them the best he could by what they look like. In other versus, he speaks of our times and things of war as whirlwinds and other descriptions.

    I also don't connect your connection with cloven hooves and the body and spirit. The scriptures don't explain why they are unclean. Perhaps because the people didn't know how to properly prepare things like pork is why they were given a food dietary law. Or, the Lord just required the people to sacrifice something like cloven hooves animals as a sign of obedience to God. Hindus don't eat meat. Today, Mormons don't drink alcohol, coffee and tea and don't use tobacco to show obedience to commandments. It's the obedience to the laws and commandments that unites the body-spirit to God.

    lastly, there will be a New Jerusalem built that would require a Temple as well. A 4th Temple? My Church believes that will be here in the United States, Jackson County, Missouri. We believe that the more indigenous people will be the ones to help build it along with other Church members. It's always interesting how many Christians have never included the indigenous people of the Americas in with the potential people of the Lord. I wonder why not?
     
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    For my son Jesus shall be revealed with those that be with him, and they that remain shall rejoice within four hundred years.

    After these years shall my son Christ die, and all men that have life.

    (2 Esdras 7:28,29)


    And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand [and] six hundred furlongs.

    (Revelation 14:20)

    It speaks of 1600 years here. The death of the Church occurred when Christianity became the state religion. This is an accurate pointer. You cannot serve God and mammon. All states serve mammon to this day. The decrees of the emperor Theodosius are the death of the Church.

    "swift beasts" is KJV, in Hebrew there is dromedary, that is, camels — http://biblehub.com/hebrew/3753.htm

    There are standard biblical imagery. Gamaliel (teacher of Saul) — "The Camel of God". "[Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel." This is about rabbinic Judaism.

    Isaiah 66:20 is not those who come to the Temple daily. This is about a one-time event, about the meeting of the elect in the days of the consecration of the altar of the Third Temple. It will last 10 days, from Yom Teruah to Yom Kippur. After that, the East Gate of the Temple will be closed forever.

    First, the Third Temple will be built in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel. The temple will be built in the Judean Desert, on an empty site indicated in the prophecy of Ezekiel. The very rumor about the construction of the Temple will blow up the Christian religion. After that, most denominations will be opponents of this Temple. The Third Temple is the place where the elect from the four winds gather. The Great Tribulation cannot end until the elect are gathered. Therefore, God will force the Israelites to build the Third Temple. After that, the elect, "the fulness of the Gentiles" from Romans 11, will enter the Eastern Gate of the Temple. These same people are the Church of Philadelphia from Revelation. The angel of the Philadelphia church will be equal to God, because it is written that he will be worshiped.

    Christianity and Judaism do not recognize this Temple of God, do not recognize the chosen ones as messengers of God and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Therefore, in Christianity and Judaism there will be "an abomination of desolation." Judaism will repent first, at the 6th vial of anger. After that, the city of Yahweh Shammah will be built, west of the Temple, next to Sderot. The saints gathered in the city will destroy the Christian religion with a hail of talented words, about this in Revelation 16:21.

    New Jerusalem is a spiritual city. Everyone who rejoices in the resurrection of Jesus Christ dwells in this city. In addition to the present Jerusalem, as well as the Temple and the city of Yahweh Shammah, there will be no other Jerusalem on earth. All heathen denominations will fail. 7000 righteous denominations self-destruct immediately after the construction of the Third Temple. The rest of the religion, Babylon, will be destroyed in three and a half years when the city of Yahweh Shammah appears in Israel.

    The elect will appear in the Third Temple. They are common people from all four religions. They are like the wise men from the East who appeared to the baby Jesus. Those people who will help the congregation of the elect are in Isaiah 66:20. The rest of the world, including Christian denominations, will hate the elect, they will be thought of as false Christs and false prophets. But really, every Christian denomination was created by false apostles. Because the real Apostles created one Church, and not the shame that is called the Christian religion today. It would be more correct to call present-day Christianity as anti-Christianity.

    The elect from the four winds who will appear at the Eastern Gate of the Temple are a child born of a woman from Revelation 12. This "woman" will hide until Judaism repent, 3 years after the construction of the Temple. After that, the "woman" will be able to return to the city that will be built in Israel. All this time, Christianity, along with the rest of the world, will be in deception, following the leader-Antichrist, like a goat for Azazel, following a mirage, into nowhere, into eternal shame and condemnation.
     
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    There is a line beyond which a Christian becomes a false prophet. This line is the creation of your own denomination. When some spiritual Christian makes himself an apostle and begins to ordain his bishops, then he crosses this line.

    The New Testament gives a very clear criterion for which Christian should be considered "carnal".

    For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
    (1 Corinthians 3:4)

    Substitute denominations of Christianity in this verse. When someone says that "I am a Catholic", "I am a Baptist", "I am a Jehovah's Witness", "I am LDS"; are ye not carnal?

    What is the Body of Christ? Written:

    Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days: ]
    Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

    (Colossians 2:16,17)

    This means that the former feasts of the Lord, listed in Leviticus 23, have their fulfillment in the Body of Christ.

    In the First Coming, 3 feasts were fulfilled:

    1. Passover.
    2. Unleavened bread.
    3. The First Sheaf.

    The 4th feast day, Pentecost (Shavuot, or Bikurim, which means "Firstborns"), was fulfilled in the Church.

    There are 3 feasts for the Second Coming:

    5. Yom Teruah (Feast of Trumpets), the opening of the Eastern gate of the Temple, the beginning of the entrance of the elect into the Eastern gate of the Third Temple.
    6. Yom Kippur, the closing of the Eastern gate, "the kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord", the seventh trumpet of the Angel.
    7. Simchat Torah, 8th day of the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot), the emergence of the city of Yahweh Shammah in Israel.

    Now I ask you, what relation do the denominations of Christianity have to the last three feasts? Answer: they have nothing to do with it. But you remember that salvation is only in Jesus Christ, in His Body. The body of Christ is in the last three feasts of the Lord. An inglorious end to the history of the Christian religion.
     
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    You are all over the place. But, you keep things pretty well together. You make some simple errors like grouping religions like JW's and LDS with mainstream Christianity. I've had ministers and Catholic priests tell me that they have to draw the line somewhere with who is a Christian Church and who isn't and LDS don't make the cut. So, as I believe, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Lord's restored Church in which The Father and Son, John the Baptist, Peter, James and John came to the Prophet Joseph Smith and restored the apostolic succession from them to Joseph Smith and beyond. He did not create his own religion. This is the day of the restitution of all things. Acts 3:21. After the Savior had called the twelve apostles and established his Church, it was not many years until, as prophesied, the Church gradually fell into apostasy. (On two continents) The priesthood authority to administer the ordinances was lost. The Church dwindled in unbelief. Political power usurped what was left of the organization, and complete apostasy occurred. Just a this falling away was prophesied, so also was the tie of restoration or the "times of restitution of all things."
    The idea that the apostasy took place 1,600 years ago coincides with the end of the Church in the Americas with the Book of Mormon being buried in about 421 AD. 1,600 years ago this year. As latter-day saints, we recognize these are the last day and are preparing to meet the Savior in both Old and New Jerusalem's. Revelation 3:12, "The one who conquers-I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. In our temples, we receive new names. Do you?
    As far as the apocryphal writings, I take the with a grain of salt. If the Catholic Church is evil to you, why use that stuff? Only the Catholic Church uses it.
     
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    I am not at all interested in denominations, I am indifferent to them from the very beginning, when I turned to Jesus Christ. I researched the non-canonical Scriptures on my own and made sure they fit the spirit of the rest of the Bible. If you believe that your denomination is true, then all other denominations do the same. This is a common fatal mistake: cursed is the person who trusts in the person (the founder of the denomination). Of course, you will not appear at the Eastern Gate of the Third Temple, because otherwise you will be excommunicated from your community. The situation is the same as it was 2000 years ago among the Jews, who could not recognize Jesus as the Messiah, because otherwise they would have been excommunicated from the synagogue.

    Not only do I not believe in the Book of Mormon, but I also know that it is false from start to finish. There is a fundamental difference between non-canonical books of the Bible and later counterfeits: all counterfeits arose after the death of the original Church. God's revelation is entrusted to the entire Church as a whole, and when the integrity of the Church is destroyed, global prophecy becomes impossible. Any prophetic revelations can be valid only within the scope of the sect where they are uttered. Your problem will be that while inside your sect you will see some signs, and these signs will not give you the opportunity to leave the black hole into which you have been sucked by some spirit. Jesus warned us about this when he spoke about the danger of flight from religion on the Sabbath year, or in winter. By the way, on September 7th the Saturday year will begin.

    Probably, like the rest of the people who have been tempted by other denominations of the Christian religion, you do not understand that Jesus Christ will never come to this world in his former form. The incarnation of Jesus Christ at the Second Coming will be the state of Israel. Therefore, even if you build a temple in your hemisphere, it will not bring you salvation. The body of Jesus Christ is the elect from the four winds who will appear at the Eastern gate of the Third Temple, built in Israel in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel. This event will take place at a certain time, in fulfillment of the law of Leviticus 23. Any other attempt to bring about the first resurrection is doomed to fail, wherever the leaders of Christian denominations try to gather you. The body of Christ will be only in Israel, only in the place indicated in the prophecy of Ezekiel, only in the days prescribed by the law of God. Salvation will only be in the Body of Christ. If you do not have the Holy Spirit, then you will not understand, will not see and will not be able to draw correct conclusions for yourself. Nobody will help you in this matter, neither me, nor your denomination, nor anyone else. For salvation, there must be a supply of the Holy Spirit (see the parable of the 10 virgins).
     
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    Oh good grief! Jesus Christ is just a blast of wind. What kind of thinking is that. You do know that after his resurrection, he actually came back, sat and ate with a couple of his disciples. Luke 24: 36 ¶ And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
    37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
    38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
    39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
    40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
    41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
    42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
    43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
    So, he showed the world the nonsense of mystical nonsense of the creeds of Christianity that would be developed. He has a body of flesh and bones. In Zachariah 12, 13 and 14, Zacharia sees the 2nd Coming and it isn't a wind. It's Jesus with a body of flesh and bones that people see, handle and know he is the Messiah and the Lord of the Earth. He stops the waring nations from the North against Israel and the 2nd Coming begins. Then, the Millennium begins Satan bound for a 1,000 years.

    As for your understanding of the Book of Mormon, Ezekiel sees the Book of Mormon in the last days, the book of Joseph through Ephraim will be one in thine hand with the book of Judah, the Bible. Isaiah saw even more and specific events of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon in chapter 29. This trashes the idea that this is about the Apocrypha nonsense as nothing of that came from the ground by one who is not learned (Joseph Smith). And, what about people of other parts of the Earth? Were they all shut out during the Lord's ministry? No. John 10:16, "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold (Judah): Them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." Which goes right along with the sticks (books) of Judah and Joseph being one in thine hand.
    The thing about the Gospel of Jesus Christ is that it's simple. Your brand is hugely confusing for most people to even begin to understand. That's another reason I think you are way off track. But, you have the right to be
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    This world will never see Jesus Christ as He was before. The resurrected Jesus appeared only to His disciples. In the Second Coming, it will be exactly the same: the city of Yahweh Shammah in Israel will protect Jesus from the gaze of the pagans with its walls. The pagans will see only crowds of people in white robes, like clouds, in front of the Third Temple. And most of them will not understand that this is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

    No denomination can see Jesus Christ, because any denomination violates the main commandment of Jesus about our unity. Therefore, He told us not to run and look for Him somewhere in the secret rooms of our denominations. The appearance of Jesus Christ will be obvious to everyone, like lightning: the entry of the elect into the Eastern gate of the Third Temple will be broadcast throughout the world.

    When the signs of the Second Coming appear in the world, it will become noticeable to many Christians. Then there will be a cry: "The groom is coming!" We must wake up and light our lamps. Do you know what a lamp is?

    The lamp is a commandment. Do you have any commandment from Jesus Christ? I ask you just in case, because according to my observations, most Christians do not have the commandments of Jesus Christ. In the event of a global crisis, they will run to buy canned food and ammunition, but this is not a commandment of Jesus Christ. So, if you have followed Jesus Christ in your life, then you have some of His commandments. You must obey this commandment.

    In order to fulfill the commandment in a moment of general confusion, you need to have inner strength from God. This power is given by the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit must be purchased in advance.

    So, you have a commandment, and this "lamp" will "shine" by fulfilling this commandment in front of all people. Everyone will see: here is a Christian! He does not panic, he praises the Lord when the others run to hide away.

    But the main thing is not that unbelievers will see that you are a Christian. The main thing is that Christians from other denominations will see a Christian in you. Christians from other denominations, who, just like you, will shine by fulfilling the commandments entrusted to them by the Lord. You will see each other ...

    And this is the main point. The One Church appears from this moment. No denominations. Those who glorify the Lord and live in the Kingdom of Heaven. So you will be at a wedding feast, out of denominations. You probably have something from the Lord, spiritual or material. Others have something too. By sharing your spiritual, you do not lose anything, we are all mutually enriched as a result of such communication outside of denominations. It is the same with the material: we share with each other what we have.

    This huge Awakening will take over the whole world, all countries. The states seem to disappear for a while, the borders will dissolve. Then we can build the Third Temple according to Ezekiel. Of our general assembly outside of denominations, some will be the elect who will appear in the Third Temple. Another part, will hide from persecution. The rest of the Christians will be deceived by the Antichrist. They will build a material paradise, a kingdom of the beast for universal prosperity. The saints must have patience to await God's Judgment over carnal Christianity, divided by denominations and united by the Antichrist.

    The holiday when we light the lamps is called Hanukkah. This year Hanukkah is at the beginning of December.
     
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    Do you have an official faith or organized religion aside from your personal interpretation of scriptures?
     
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    In the book of the prophet Zechariah 12,13,14 there is not a single verse where Jesus Christ is shown in the former flesh. Should I explain to you in order?

    Zechariah 12: 2. The siege of Jerusalem is not a military siege of the city of Jerusalem. This is the influx of pagans to Christianity during the Awakening. Here "Jerusalem" is the same as Isaiah 65:18, a spiritual city of joy in the Lord.

    Zechariah 12: 4. This is the madness of your denominations during the Revival, Revelation 6, third horseman on and on. Many different spirits, many signs, many miracles, and there is no understanding of the Word of God. The Gentiles will be deluded, and the Jews will understand and build the Third Temple according to Ezekiel.

    Zechariah 12:5. The leaders of Israel are turning their attention to the one Church rejoicing in the Lord at a time of general crisis.

    Zechariah 12:7. The Jews will be saved first, because they will receive the elect from the four winds. Taking a prophet in the name of a prophet will receive a prophet's reward. "House of David" is 144,000, they are also - the Church of Philadelphia.

    Zechariah 12:10-14 - Christians will understand the essence of the Second Coming. After the entry of the elect into the Eastern Gate, the Church was raptured, the first resurrection took place. Apostles (David), prophets (Nathan), shepherds (Levi) and teachers (Simeon) are no longer needed, because the Body of Christ has appeared, the unity of faith has been achieved.

    Zechariah 14:2 - about the period of the Antichrist. "Women" are churches that have been tempted by the Antichrist.

    Zechariah 14:4 - The Mount of Olives has already split in two where the Third Temple will be built. The Mount of Olives means "the mountain of the Second Coming" because on this mountain Jesus taught about the signs of his coming. The "feet of the Lord" are evangelists. The saints, gathered from all nations, will stand on two mountains near the Third Temple. One mountain north of the Temple, Ezekiel stood there in his vision. The second mountain is east of the Temple.

    Zechariah 14:5 - the entrance of the elect from the four winds into the Eastern gate of the Third Temple. There is no Jesus in the former flesh.

    Zechariah 14:16-18 - "the family of Egypt" are religious people from denominations. Jerusalem is a spiritual city here, no one will go to Israel to celebrate Sukkot. The peoples will celebrate Sukkot together with the Jews, staying in their places, no one will let them into the Temple. Jesus was born on the 8th day of the Tishrei month, the circumcision of Jesus was on the first day of Sukkot. The 8th day of Sukkot is our "circumcision", when the city of Yahweh Shammah appears, from where a talented hail will fall, which will destroy all the remaining denominations of the Christian religion.
     
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    I am not a member of any denomination.
     
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    Why are you fantasizing? Ezekiel has no mention of the Book of Mormon, no book of Judah, no book of Joseph or Ephraim. In Ezekiel 37, two sticks are shown, which symbolize the 12 tribes of Israel, which were preserved in Judaism, and the 12 lost tribes of the Northern Kingdom, which will be returned to the Third Temple in the flesh of the elect from the four winds that appeared in the Temple, which will be assimilated by the present Jews. These same two sticks are shown in Revelation 11 as "two witnesses", and they are shown in Romans 11 as two olives, Jews and Gentiles, Judaism and Christianity. The resurrection of the two witnesses will take place when the elect from the four winds enter the Eastern gate of the Temple.
     
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    So, Zechariah was lying? The one Church you apparently hate, The Catholic Church, is the only one with the apocrypha writings and you base all your beliefs on it. You can see why I don't follow your thinking. There is no place in the scriptures where it says he won't again appear as a glorified man like he did with the two disciples. By the way, he also appeared to the 11 apostles after his resurrection and let Thomas feel his wounds. I can testify to you that I know Joseph Smith was a Prophet and saw the Father and the Son in their glorified bodies of flesh and bones. I feel sorry for those that deny the eternal saving ordinances that will allow you into the Kingdom of God. Sad that you run your life through the Apocrypha and reject most of the Bible making up things like Jesus Christ won't appear again.
     
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    Isaiah 29 is about you, because you absolutely do not understand the Holy Scriptures. No Christian denomination does not understand the prophecy of Ezekiel about the Third Temple. No Christian denomination understands the Revelation of John. The idea about Jesus Christ of the Western Hemisphere is so wild that you don't need to read anything else about this denomination.

    The tribes of the Northern Kingdom of Israel were lost, mingled with the Gentiles. Now these tribes of Israel will return and unite with the surviving ones in Judaism. The Gentiles will be blessed by helping the congregation of the elect from the four winds. After that, the United Tribes of Israel will rule the world instead of the United States. But this will be the spiritual kingdom of the Lord, and not the kingdom of the beast-666, which is over the world today, the seventh head of which is the USA.
     
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    There weren't 12 lost tribes. There were 10 and a half. Half being Benjamin. Any Jew knows this. Judah was carried north and returned. You even quote Ezra who brought them back and became the head of the Sanhedrin, The Great Synagogue. If you want people to follow you, you can't make those simple blunders.

    You have no concept of what sticks represent. How about reading the passages and find out.

    Ezekiel 37:16, "Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and WRITE upon it, for Judah and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and WRITE upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel has companions." Sticks or scrolls are to be written on. Good grief! Then, in verse 17, "And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand." I have a what we call a triple combination with the Bible and Book of Mormon bound into one book. We have another book of scriptures called the Doctrine and Covenants and that is the third book joined with the other two. It's for our day's instruction from the Lord through our Prophets of today.

    Isaiah 29, "11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
    12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
    13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
    14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
    15 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
    24 They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.

    The Book of Mormon or the stick of Ephraim (Joseph) brings the fullness of the Gospel. While you and other Christian religions teach Christ, you teach not the complete or fullness of doctrine and without understanding with wise and prudent learned men leading the lack of doctrine. An unlearned boy of 14, Joseph Smith, was chosen to unearth that book of ancient writings written in the Americas. Since then, learned prudent men murmur against him and The Book of Mormon, another testament of Jesus Christ with the fullness of the Gospel doctrine. See, I follow the plain and simple words of scripture and don't make up things like you are doing.
     
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    We plainly understand the words and doctrine of the Lord Jesus Christ in Ezekiel, Isaiah, Revelations and all other books of the Bible. Keep babbling because it just shows lack of understanding of a prudent and learned man. Take a deep breath and learn doctrine. Try praying too.
     
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    And I can testify to you that your leader is a typical false prophet, like all other leaders who created any denomination of the Christian religion. Zechariah's prophecy speaks of the appearance of Jesus Christ in a different form. Today people can be the Body of Jesus Christ. For example, evangelists are the “feet” of the Lord. The "hands" of the Lord, in our bodies, will build the Third Temple. In the same way, the entry of the elect into the Eastern Gate is the appearance of the Body of Christ.

    Jesus Christ will not appear in his original form for the world and for you if you remain in your denomination. But in the city of Yahweh Shammah, where only believers from the tribes of Israel can enter, we can meet not only Jesus Christ, but also any saint who once lived on Earth.
     
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    Until now, I have not heard a single correct interpretation from you. Why do I need to pray for you? Pray for yourself.
     
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    Ezekiel says "Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions". Because there all 12 tribes are lost. Ezekiel says "Judah, and for the children of Israel his companion". Because among the Jews, all 12 tribes have survived. The Third Temple has 24 refectory rooms for the Israelites. Because there are 12 earthly tribes and 12 heavenly tribes.

    You can talk about the Book of Mormons, the false prophet Joseph Smith, and other false prophets in your sect with someone else. I have already told you that I am not interested in Christian denominations and their heresies.
     

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