It's indeed odd that you can't restate another's argument accurately simply because you disagree with it. Its a skill I would encourage you to learn, because otherwise you're going to gain little genuine understanding, and will have to instead be sated with the applause of hyper-partisans with no interest in genuine understanding. Now first, the issue inherent in discussion of the wage gap is not a statistic. There is also a wage gap between lawyers and nannies, but there is no assumed issue underlying that gap - which is the real point. If when you hear 'wage gap' all that you're concerned with is a statistic, and that's the entirety of the value in in it, then please let me know and I'll cease discussion with you. You'd have to be willfully ignorant. Now, as I said in the op, the wage gap - that is, the issue inherent - depends on a dishonest usage of statistics. Second, what do you mean when you say that women are ushered into less profitable careers? Do you mean that women have no interests of their own, no reasons for entering careers they choose? Do you mean to suggest that only men have their own wills, or the capacity to act on their own wills? Be serious here. Women aren't ushered into less profitable careers, women choose less profitable careers. Answer me why almost all receptionists, secretaries, K-12 teachers, and daycare specialists are women. Answer me why most lumberjacks, miners, policemen, firemen, fishermen, etc. are men. And try thinking outside of the narrow box you're used to. *note* the existence of a 2% wage gap between men and women in the same field, which doesn't add up to much (in a typical job, that's about $2/day distributed somewhere amongst pay and benefits), and it also doesn't disprove my point. If you think it does, you haven't understood my point. And are being obtuse.
The word "feminist" is used to mean whatever one chooses it to mean. I dont think I am an "ist" or subscribe to any "isms".
Hi, I'm a nazi and nazism stands for peace, tolerance and understanding. No, it doesnt work like that. Femina means woman. Any word based on it will have something to do with women.
Again, nobody is claiming the wage gap exists arbitrarily. It exists because of issues like the ones I've outlined: lack of facilitation when it comes to pregnancy, and the glass ceiling. You have ignored both of these. Well, for whatever reason, men enter more profitable careers. Men tend to become engineers and women tend to become teachers. Is it so contentious to say that, in any given field, both genders should be represented proportionally? Is that not ideal? And yes, societal forces dictate gender roles, not conscious decisions on the part of the individual. That doesn't imply that women "have no free will." It disproves your point entirely, because you claimed the wag gap was "non-existent."
Oh, this is a perfect example of what Sowell's talking about in his conflict of visions! Basically, I do not consider it 'ideal' for men and women to be equally represented because I do not judge equality by the results, but by the process. An example of that would be if a few foot races were held: I would consider the races fair even if the same person won them all, as long as the rules were consistent and applied fairly to everyone equally. We also differ in our definition of freedom. Freedom for me is to be free from coercion, but freedom for you seems to be to also be free of circumstances' limitations. As long as the women aren't by force made to, or prohibited from, doing anything I would say they're free, but you also look at the gender roles as setting limitations. Perhaps we also differ in our assumption on wheter there exist significant differences between people, and sex, and other groups. I believe there are some differences between the sexes, and because I see freedom and equality the way I do, inequality of result is to be expected, but it's no problem. Quite frankly: No, men and women being equally represented isn't an ideal.
A big reason there seems to be a gender wage gap is women are more likely to choose subjects at university that result in them not being qualified for high paying careers. Meanwhile men are more likely to study subjects at university that result in them being qualified for more lucrative careers. For example, according to the study: “What’s it Worth? The Economic Value of College Majors” which analyzes data from the 2009 American Community Survey, white men are concentrated in the highest-earning majors, including engineering and pharmaceutical sciences, while women gravitate toward the lowest-earning majors like education, art and social work. Source: http://newsone.com/1252915/college-majors-highly-segregated-by-race-and-gender/ Another reason there seems to be a, "gender wage gap," is men are more likely to pursue dangerous professions. For example, 92% of workplace deaths were men in 2012. A disproportionate share of fatal work injuries involved men relative to their hours worked in 2012. 92% of workplace deaths were men in 2012. Source for the number of workplace deaths of men in 2012: http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshcfoi1.htm http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cfch0011.pdf Therefore, the, "gender wage gape," can be explained by a lot of other factors other than discrimination, however there does exist a gender gap that cannot seem to be explained by anything other than gender discrimination: a man convicted of a crime will spend 63% more time in prison than a woman arrested for the same crime. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742.html
Asking for "sources" below is a link to the official German statistic bureau and a calculation of the "adjusted" and "non adjusted" gender pay gaps of 2006. In general comparing all average incomes of men and women a 23% difference is found to the advantage of male employees and workers. That however does not take into account women being employed in lower paid jobs and more prone to work part time. Comparing adjusted pay gaps, which is comparing the same work in the same profession gives an "upper limit" of an 8% pay gap which according to DESTATIS is caused by the fact that not all data influencing wages were available. That 8% pay gap if existing in reality is deplorable and should be removed if other influencing factors being taken into account in the end leave such a gap. In theory every employer having the possibility to pay less for the same work and still employing men had to be fired. That this is not the case speaks for certain factors causing some kind of small gap but also justifying it from the view of the employer. https://www.destatis.de/DE/Publikat...nFrau5621001069004.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
I am a feminist, but I'm not idealistic. I recognize that there are physical, neurological and psychological differences between men and women. I don't think that women should be more like men, or men should be more like women. I think that people should just be people, which is at the heart of postmodern third-wave feminism. Having said that, I believe that women should have the same social, legal, political and economic power as men. If they don't have this equality, then maybe the playing field should be leveled with legislation.
being a man and a manist (I'd rather use masculinist to be consistent) isn't the same thing, just like being a woman and feminist isn't. But yeah, you get my point. Being a feminist and claiming to be for equality is as ridicolous as being a manist and wanting equality in my view.
But they still have the same opportunities, which means that theyr either cant or do not want to have as much power as men. Why is that a problem?
A man arrested for a crime spends 63% more time in prison than a woman arrested for the same crime. 68% of the homeless are men. More women make between 70 and 80 thousand dollars a year than men. Men are twenty times as likely to be sentenced to death compared to women for the same crime. Men are four times more likely to commit suicide. Women work 86% of a man’s workweek ect. ect. ect. Could you back up your statement with some evidence please?
What can you blame that on, other than evolution? Men aren't 'superior' to women, but their brain structure tends to suit them for 'positions of legal, political, economic power' better, in general - there's exceptions but that tends to be the rule. Men are more left brained, which governs logic and makes their brains more suited for economic, legal, business pursuits, etc - these industries tend to be more financially lucrative, hence their 'influence'. Women's brain structure is more right-brain-leaning, which is more emotional, artistic, outgoing, social etc. This is why over 80% of all engineers are men, but over 92% of registered nurses are women - there's no 'secret patriarhal conspiracy" forcing women'men into these roles - they naturally find their way in roles that are best suited for their innate talents Trying to 'change' is just fighting nature, and it's stupid, nor will it work. It'd be like trying to 'force right handed' people to use their left hand, just to make insecure left handed people feel better
To the dismay of my feminist friends, I agree with most of what you say. Men are bigger, stronger, more aggressive, take bigger risks and have many other significant differences than women. Women are better at language and accounting, men are better at spacial math. On a personal note, I think that women are more practical than men, too. But why so much inequality? Different doesn't mean inferior. Men make the laws and enforce the laws. Men control most of the money. Women are largely excluded from this, and if she tries to get involved, she's seen as "not knowing her place." This is a cultural phenomenon.
