The reason Ron Paul wont get elected

Dont know why so many Ron Paul threads are being made.People delude themselves into thinking he has a prayer.That will never happen because of two reasons mainly.One,he is not a member of that evil organization the council on foreign relations.You have to be a member of that organization to get elected.

All these other candidates running are all members so the establishment does not care if any of them get elected.Paul has the same visions that Kennedy did our last REAL president we had.Real because he was not a willing puppet for the establishment like every president since him has been and was trying to return us to the constitution of the united states.Like Jfk,Paul has the same visions he had.He also wants to get rid of the fed and the CIA like Kennedy was trying to do.

Even Kennedy was a member of the CFR.He only attended a couple of their meetings though and the only reason he got in was because they thought he would be evil and corrupt just like his dad was but he was nothing at all like his dad.They thought we would be like Bush Jr who IS a chip off the old block.Evil just like him.

the second reason and the MAIN reason he wont get elected is you guys dont seem to get it that WE dont elect these people.They are SELECTED for us by the establishment.Our vote doesnt count.They already have a candidate selected for us they plan to put in and will make sure he gets put in and its not Ron Paul. The american people let the establishment take over our country and wont get off their a$$es and take their country back and thats the MAIN reason Paul wont get elected.You all need to read a book called VOTE SCAM.It explains all this and how it does no good to vote.Elections are rigged.

 

From your post, I can see that you are rightly indignant. Also it seems like you have surrendered. Do you vote? Ron Paul is the ONE hope we have for taking our country back, but if attitudes like yours prevail, that will not happen.

I, for one, don't need to be schooled on the corrupt process. I also know that it is possible for it to be beaten. You, on the other hand seem content to skulk, rather than DO something about it. I suppose your kind will be happy to be miserable after election day even though you have done nothing to make a difference.

 

Not one host even mentioned Paul last night on either MSNBC OR Fox.
Which is sure to unravel Alex Jones,who is on a mission to personally
Smear Perry.Jones started early saturday telling listeners via in his car
out travelling that Ron Paul WON the big one in Iowa.
That was the conventional wisdom but Bachmann overtook Paul
by a significantly small margin {around 150 votes}.
Perry entering the race all but extensively marganilizes Paul,even
though Paul was marganilized already.
Paul has a strong close following by guys like Jones and his group.
I listen to Jones on his YouTube video's to start the day but the guy
has some real character issues.He's basically screwy like his pal,
Charlie Sheen.I remember a few months ago Jones said he was
dining at a nice restaurant and Karl Rove was seated nearby at a
table with his clique and Jones made a big deal about him having
to leave due to the way Rove laughed.Jones going so far as to
talk really loud about not wanting to eat near some Nazi type.
That's just classless.That proves Jones is basically a rube.

 

I believe that if the economy collapses before the convention, he has a decent chance.

If it doesn't, he probably doesn't.


And since Obama/Fed can 'print' as much money as they want, whenever they want...

 

What disturbs me about Libertarin philosophy(and hence Ron Paul) is when this fact is stated to them:

If Libertarian policies were adopted, it is almost guaranteed that there would be a marked drop in the quality of life of almost every American, and an indelible blow to American prestige and reputation and leadership ability around the world, wars or no wars.

Libertarians just shrug and say various versions of "So?"

I can't handle that. Some statism is necessary for 310 million people to simply get along let alone prosper. Some global power is necessary to prevent the Irans of the world from destabalizing the entire globalized economy with stupidity. These are facts of life Libertarians refuse to accept, or feel the consequences are unavoidable.

I can't live that way.

 

Explain how Libertarianism would " almost guaranteed that there would
be a marked drop in the quality of life of almost every American. "
It is up to you to defend those comments.
As it is now,Under Obama's Statism,the middle class is burdened by having
to support those on Food Stamps and those getting Unemployment
compensation extended.Left alone Obama is hurting and weakeneing the middle class in favor of a lower class who don't have to pull their weight
as in NOT Paying ANY Federeal Income Tax.
There I just proved how Obama policy hurt the middle class in favor of
a pandering lower class who now receive record level of Food Stamps.

 

No, you proved that millions of Americans who through no fault of their own lost their jobs, their homes, their collected wealth at the hands of a corporatist alliance between neo-cons, complicit Dems, and Wall Street and now need food stamps just to survive. The crash destroyed the neo-con power base, and the establishmentarians who are left, all of which have been on record supporting smaller Government have forged a new alliance with Libertarians in an attempt to fight back and restore this nation to fiscal sanity.

Obama isn't responsible for that.

What he is responsible for is the stupidity of keynesian spending polices in a fully globalized American economy, outrageous class warfare rhetoric that further dampens the confidence level of free market participants, uses federal regulatory agencies as thugs and attack dogs to hobble the donorship base of his political opponents, and engaged in a unprovoked attack on the ruler of a soveriegn country who, unlike Saddam Hussein or the Taliban, immediately complied with any and all orders to cease and desist in attempts to gain WMD or sponsor Islamic Terrorism.

There is much to blame Obama for.. but people being on Foodstamps is not one of them.

 

Corporatism has NOTHING to do with Libertarianism (not that I am a Libertarian).

 

As I said, neo-cons, complicit dems, and Wall Street.

I think Ron Paul was napping in a corner of the House Chamber at the time.

 

You are one hundred percent right

 

I don't by conspiracy stuff, but Ron Paul's not getting into office, nor should he. I love the guy but people aren't ready for what he would do. Best thing that could happen is that he loses to Obama by a hair and he lets Obama screw up more and he or someone like him develops a strong support group for next time when people are more ready.

 

I gave $100 to Ron Paul campaign in 2007 or 8, then he dropped out. I did not vote in 08 and do not plan to vote in 2012 unless Ron Paul is on a ballot. when you say vote, you mean in a special interest controlled media circus? to me all this is ilegitimate, it has nothing to do with my pesimism and everything to do with what I know about our media. you say you don't need to be schooled so I will skip the video links, but it's not pesimism - I have been insulted consistently for the last 14 years and still I believe exact same now as I believed back then. I have a web site that no one cares about, but I still believe 100% that it's the only way. Ron Paul has no chance to win, he will be destroyed by the media, look at perry, they already found us another handsome replacement for old Paul who's good at eating hotdogs and says "fed is almost treasonous"... note the word "ALMOST" (not quite in other words)

 

Well, I see voting as the only voice we have, except for the noise we can make in the meantime. I agree with you about the media, but do think there are rare times when mass culture overruns it. Witness the Tea Party phenomenon. We do tend to muddle through and nothing ever changes, but once in a while the public sentiment can rise up to the surface, be expressed and a sea change can take effect. My hope is that what happens in the case of Ron Paul in 2012. Even Corporatists and Socialists know that you can't stop mass culture...you can only ride the wave.

BTW, why not post a link to your site in a siggie?

 

I will be voting for Ron Paul - but there is another hope for this country (something that Ron Paul is rumored to be involved with): http://www.republicfortheunitedstates.org

 

All the more reason to vote for him. Let them hit him with everything they have. He'll be ready for them.

Give them all a heart attack. You know it will make them miserable to have to keep reporting that he's winning primaries.

 

I see what you're saying because I know the dollar is eventually going to collapse once it's "dethroned" as world reserve currency. I would obviously prefer that it happened under Obama so he could get the credit he so richly deserves (and it still might, who knows?).

But you have to vote for the best candidate. Here's a guy with a strong voting record to back up his words for liberty. We have to vote for this guy - if nothing more than to (*)(*)(*)(*) off the mainstream media and right wing radio (Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levine hate Ron Paul).

You let the chips fall where they may. Ron Paul will at least be able to explain to the country that the Federal Reserve was the cause of the problem.

 

Hell I want to do something about it but protesting at these tea partys are a joke.they have been penetrated.and are you really that naive that your going to vote when our votes dont count? thats being the naive sheep they want you to believe.its time to take up arms and fight,thats the ONLY way we will ever be free again.thats how we became free in the first place,I am willing to do it but i cant do it by myself,cant do it by myself when the majority of americans are being cowards and wont join me.duh.

 

Jones was doing the intelligent thing leaving.who can blame him,having to listen to that evil bastard who belongs behind bars laugh? I would have to leave as well or i would get arrested for assault seeing an evil bastard like that roam free like he does on the streets.

 

for god sakes,face the facts.read the (*)(*)(*)(*) post,thats living in denial ignoring FACTS!!!!!!

 

Yeah good point,thats the key word,ALMOST.the fact that he says that is ared flag he is not on our side and a fraud.I just bet he is a CFR member as well.I have only heard recently about him and the fact that he is endorces the death penalty in texas,makes me believe he is pals with George Bush so this guy is evil and a fraud as well trying to hoodwink americans.Like i said,would jbet my house he is with the CFR as well.

 

your right about that.you know it just kills them to have to admit that.

 

yep,yep and yep.amen to that brother.

 

Take up arms and fight?? That's just nuts. Even way back in our history, armed rebellions didn't stand a chance. The War Between the States was the closest we ever came in that regard and that didn't turn out very well, either.

Today, even the local police force could squash a mob very quickly. All that would be left would be blood on the streets and a discredited philosophy. You might want to re-think your position.

I think that if people are truly pissed off, they should take a look at the Civil Rights protests. Fact is, they won. We could definitely benefit by taking some pages from their playbook. Black folks know how to get their way.

 

First off, Ron Paul should not and will not win the Republican nomination. Why will he not? Not because the establishment does not want him too, it is because people dont vote for him. Paul historically polls well early because people like the idea of Paul. However, his foreign policy, which is to not have a foreign policy is poor. His radical Libertarian views alienate him from social conservatives. His views of a non-existent government would dilute our country into a Union of different small countries. i.e. Unites Nations but much weaker and less diverse. That is why Ron Paul is not and never will win a Republican and or Democratic nomination and by no means will ever see the inside of the Whitehouse.

 

great to see someone who actually gets this stuff and understands it.the last time I voted was for Clinton.that was when i was deluded into thinking our vote counted and did not realise at that time how both parties are corrupt and every president since kennedy was working for the establishment instead of for us like he was.I woke up back then and now understand how corrupt our government REALLY is and understand that these candidates are not for us but to serve the corporations instead.when will the rest of the american sheepie wake up and realise we need to fight for our country and not be afraid to do so.thats what they count on,they want us all to be afraid.