The recent Greenland sheet ice melt is a harbinger, of Mass Extinction Event 6:

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    Most of the Greenland ice sheet just melted. This hasn't happened, since 1889. No big whoop?

    The Greenland ice sheet melt previous, to the 1889 melt apparently happened, in the Medieval Warm Period, so a lot of writers are claiming no trend is evident, except toward a modern warm period, which means such melts will be a lot more common, than every thousand or hundred years, but more like every couple of years, then every year, since we are at a tipping point, toward that sort of phenomenon.

    Here's a skeptic site, which did notice, how Erik the Red experienced such a melt, but this site noted certain oysters are no longer living, in such northern climes, without noting how this is because CO2 IS ACIDIFYING THE OCEANS, particularly toward the poles:

    http://www.green-agenda.com/greenland.html

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    http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=25257

    These guys inaccurately reported that the melt happens "every 150 years." They missed a lot. So these other guys are starting to go over all of this:

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/20...ted-absolutely-is-it-worrisome-you-bet-it-is/

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    What happened is the reporters of this event are now trying to figure out, how often it really has happened, in the past, but nobody reported on what happened, during the PETM extinction or the P-T extinction, which is where we are headed, from much faster GHG emissions and out-gassing, than either of these warming-related extinctions.

    The oceans acidify, to badly injure the food chain, then they heat up, sea levels rise, anoxic events kill other life forms, and on the way, jellyfish take over. NS2 respirators evolve. Failure of species and families will be epic:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian–Triassic_extinction_event

    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/ccr/aboutus/staff/kiehl/Kiehl-Shields.pdf

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    http://climatesight.org/2011/02/17/extinction-and-climate/

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    http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-rising-ten-times-faster-than-petm-extinction.html

    http://www.wunderground.com/climate/PETM.asp

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    First up:

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.ph...an-the-other-problem-with-cosub2sub-emission/

    All that cold water, from melting Greenland and Arctic ice carries carbonic acid, which will make the ocean less basic, so it averages pH 8.1, when at the end of the 18th Century, it was pH 8.2. Seems like not too much, right? That is about a 30% increase, in acidity, enough to spike, at pH 7.7, so eggs, little fish, corals, and oysters DIE. The food chain can fail, from this, before the oceans heat up!

    And by then, most desirable ocean species will be dead. We will be in the middle, of MASS EXTINCTION EVENT 6, which will challenge the P-T extinction, for top killer, of all geologic time.
     
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    We re-green, or the oceanic food-chain fails, soon enough. I suggest immediate expedition of hemp, algae, and switchgrass for most CO2-neutral biomass needs.

    We need genetic engineering for botany, so we can re-green desertified lands and polluted land and sea areas. Or we get to go to hell, day after tomorrow.

    We might suffer Mass Extinction Event 6, since extinction rates are already 100 times, headed for 1000 times normal!

    Ocean acidity increasing at unprecedented rate

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    STUDY: Kardashians Get 40 Times More News Coverage Than Ocean Acidification

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/06/27/study-kardashians-get-40-times-more-news-covera/186703


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    Oceans Acidifying Faster Today Than in Past 300 Million Years

    ScienceDaily (Mar. 7, 2012) — The oceans may be acidifying faster today than they did in the last 300 million years, according to scientists publishing a paper this week in the journal Science.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120307145430.htm

     
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    Since the topic is kind of on ice, I'll point out that the main channel of the Northwest Passage is now almost open. A little ice left, probably gone within a week (unless the wind shoves down that big tongue to the west). It looks like the earliest opening ever. Heck, it used to not open at all -- Amundsen took 3 years to get through, and then the Canadians needed special ice-reinforced boats to take weeks to laboriously creep through the ice floes. It only started melting totally in the past 7 years or so, and now even yachts and cruise ships buzz right through.


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    You KNOW, Inquisitor, when you have even one intelligent post, let us all know, so we can throw a party. Since you may tend to wind up, on ignore, you should let us all have some notice, when you are about to actually get on topic.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/extinction/massext/statement_03.html

     
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    See how CO2 normally peaks at 280 ppm, throughout the Pleistocene or Holocene Epoch maxima?

    See how CO2 suddenly moves up, in a geologic second, to really accelerate, 1950, all the way, to 400 ppm?

    You know what ALWAYS HAPPENS, when CO2 goes up, really fast? Global temperatures follow, forced UP.

    You know what happens, before temperatures get really HOT? First, temperatures ease upward, while ice melts and CO2 gets metabolized, by ocean water, which becomes relatively acidic. This keeps the atmospheric CO2 AND temperatures relatively low. Sea grasses start to proliferate.

    But at some tipping point, the Arctic cap ice fails, which leaves the northern albedo ineffective, at reflecting energy, during northern summers. The planet will absorb a lot more energy, and that ice will all melt, every year. When we reach this point, the oceans will be killing oysters, corals, plankton, little fish, and eggs, with relative acidity, which is going on, NOW.

    The Earth's oceans then start to warm. While they are out-gassing a lot of CO2 and CH4, already, this process accelerates, which will then accelerate both atmospheric GHG concentrations AND warming, of all global temperature measurements.

    We will ALL be dead, by the time the oceans really start to warm up. Anoxic events will finish off whatever desirable species and families weren't killed off, by acidification. Rather than pass relatively acidic, cold water, the oceans will become caustic, in some places, but they won't respirate CO2, as well, without algae blooms and sea grasses.

    Any surviving humans who want seafood will have to process jellyfish, into sushi.

    Then the heavy tides will trigger seismic events and volcanism. Enjoy your jelly-sushi, kids!
     
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    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/extinction/massext/index.html


    Check out the link, to see what the four experts said.

    For me, it's a no-brainer. Our projected extinction rate is at least 100 x normal, and global warming is just starting to massage the tipping points, to runaway global warming and climate change.

    When the oceanic acidification really gets going, ocean species will really start dying out, which they are doing, already.

    When the ice really gets melting, and it is, already, we will lose ice albedo, and THEN we will notice warming, for sure. When that happens, the oceans will start to warm up, noticeably, and global temperatures will shoot UP.

    Warm oceans will become caustic or anoxic, and they won't absorb CO2, after a point, which is when the Earth can really become a hothouse. The heavier tides will massage up a load of seismic and volcanic events.

    Mass Extinction Event 6 can start to get hellish, any day now. And then the climate disasters will ACCELERATE. Do you think you will live, to see accelerating warming and climate change?

    This might start to happen, in the 2020s, I think, but I believe that is when northern cap ice albedo will be a lot less effective, while acidification moves from causing oyster die-offs to wiping out fish, which were over-harvested. The 2020s will make you see, how shizzily-dizzly can really happen.
     
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    Five previous mass extinction events and the Paleo-Eocene Thermal Maximum extinction have preceded our modern Mass Extinction Event 6:

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/Earths-five-mass-extinction-events.html

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/extinction_events

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    http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfrontiers/eldredge2.html

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    And just how smart, are humans, when confronted, with any of this?

    All these events were characterized, by dramatic increase, in CO2, so some CH4 (methane) was involved, during warming.

    Humans are either denying the warming is happening, denying the greenhouse effect, denying the effects of industry and chainsaws, denying we can re-green, or humans are proposing lame carbon credits or substitution of natural gas, for other sequestered carbon combustion media, which simply allow the basic problems, to continue.
     
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    http://theconversation.edu.au/is-another-mass-extinction-event-on-the-way-5397


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    Figure 3: The rise in human population and in the number of extinct species between 1800 and 2010. Andrew Glickson/Democracy in Action


    http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/2167/t/9524/blastContent.jsp?email_blast_KEY=1150373#two


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    Figure 4: Loss of original biomes (major regional group of distinctive plant and animal communities best adapted to the region’s physical natural environment, latitude, elevation, and terrain) by 1950, during 1950 and 1990 and projected loss by 2050. Ecosystems and Human Well-being Synthesis A Report of the Millennium Ecosystem Assessment


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    Figure 6: Summary of rates of temperature changes, temperature changes per year, CO2 changes and CO2 rates per year during Cainozoic events. Andrew Glikson
     
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    http://www.scientificamerican.com/p...=is-coal-fly-ash-responsible-for-mas-11-01-23



    What possibly happened, during the end of the Permian period was a carbonaceous meteorite struck the Earth, roughly opposite Siberia, which may have triggered thousands of years, of Siberian Traps eruptions, to cause all the coal-fly ash proliferation, around the world.
     
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    Past extinctions are tied, to climate change, in this 2007 Sci.Am. publication:

    Mass Extinctions Tied to Past Climate Changes: Scientific American

    And, like an upperclass twit, following some other upperclass twit, Mayhew completely discounts how MAYBE temperature increases are long-term, given ice melts in the heat exchange and mild solar intensity, for decades. I guess Mayhew has heard of "DECADES.'

    Of course, Mayhew hasn't seemed to notice, how CO2 is off the hook, for humans with chainsaws, cars, and factories, but this was five years ago. Maybe Mayhew has learned, to spell "C-H-A-I-N-saws, chainsaws!" It isn't that hard, even for somebody who is an inveterate media-masturbator.
     
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    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-predict-extinc

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    Here's the IPCC report, from 2007:

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=climate-change-verdict-sc

     
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    Climate change has become politicized, no fooling! This, from August 2, 2012:

    http://www.livescience.com/22069-po...ter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=LS_08032012


    This article also covers the self-outing of Dr.Richard Muller, as a self-described former skeptic, when big whoop, he still advocated fracking, on Democracy NOW! Fracking is to the environment what cleaner meth is to bath-houses.

    Hey! If the epidemic is still spread, by shooting speed and having unprotected gay sex, the bath-houses are a nuisance, and they have to be closed!

    If you pollute water tables, to get natural gas, and you burn sequestered carbon, what have you gained, relative to suppressing how you need to close down use, of sequestered carbon, altogether?

    What part of OUT OF ORDER MEDIA AGENDAS is so hard, for professors, like Muller, to understand? It must be the part about how politicians all sold out, to fossil fuel media, so professors have to do that, as well. Swell play, Dickie.

    We need CO2-neutral biomass, starting with hemp, algae, and switchgrass, with ultrasound processing, and we needed it yesterday, not more idiotic bath-house rhetoric, about changing the price of admission, to a pest-hole, or marginally improving the meth, which needle-sharing butt-slammers are using, to spread HIV!
     
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    We have all the atmosphere-related climate problems, which precede each of the major mass extinctions, so how will we fail, from a meteorite event, when we can see those coming and attack them, with emerging rocket-media?

    Let's have a look at Fukushima, which is like 23 G.E. Mark I reactors, on the mainland US:

    http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2012...rt-are-you-ready-for-a-mass-extinction-event/

     
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    http://www.infiniteunknown.net/category/environment/

    - 165,000 Bq/Kg from Fukushima river soil (Fukushima Diary, Aug 2, 2012):


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    They also measured 2 Bq/L of cesium from Abukuma river, but this is lower than 2.7 Bq/Kg from well water in Chiba. It needs to be verified if Fukushima river is actually cleaner than well water in Tokyo area.(cf. 2.7 Bq/kg of cesium measured from well water at 25km from the center of Tokyo)

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    - Radioactive tea voluntarily surrendered to Hong Kong authorities — 196 Bq/kg of cesium, almost double Japan’s limit (ENENews, Aug 3, 2012):

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    20,000 Bq/body from a man in Fukushima (Fukushima Diary, Aug 3, 2012):

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    - TEPCO cheating on radiation levels by using “improved” monitoring posts (Safecast, July 31, 2012)

     
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    I sure would like to see some more professional coverage, of how global warming is causing climate changes, which are causing Mass Extinction Event 6. So I left comments, for Democracy NOW! and for Climate Central:

    http://www.democracynow.org/special/extreme_weather

    http://www.climatecentral.org/news/great-lakes-water-temperatures-at-record-levels

     
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    Paul Krugman, July 22, 2012:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/23/opinion/krugman-loading-the-climate-dice.html?_r=2&hp

     
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    Sci.Am., Nov. 2012:

    http://www.geog.psu.edu/sites/default/files/Scientific American Article.pdf

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    Nature Mag, May 2012:

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v485/n7397/full/nature11069.html

     
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    Can somebody tell if spammers and spam are allowed on PF?
     
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    Instead of posting similar idiocy, in every post, at many threads, you can go ahead and report yourself, to a moderator.

    Here are some pay-per-view or member-benefit peer-reviewed studies, which I won't pay for, but until we get to look at some really definitive stuff, in Nature Mag. or AGU, this will let you know, the professors are churning these out, and peers are reviewing what is published:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016953470800195X

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    http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/325/1228/469.short

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    http://www.pnas.org/content/105/suppl.1/11466.short

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    From The Guardian, 2011:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environme...l-infrastructure-climate-change?newsfeed=true

    What amazes me about all these reporters and academians and UN guys and politicians is NONE OF THEM WILL GET CO2-NEUTRAL BIOMASS RESEARCH, TO CATCH UP WITH HENRY FORD'S HEMP, and none of the pollie-hacks get algae or switchgrass or ultrasound ethanol processing or radical re-greening or genetic engineering, for botany. And we are now in M.E.E.6.

    Let's see how fast the TV star-media catches on, and can they adjust, to their distorted agendas?
     
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    More PPV peer-reviewed pubs:

    http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/276/1670/3037.short

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    (post of pdf version, of prior post)

    http://www.lli-manassas.org/uploads/Documents/classes/The Sixth Extinction (ActionBioscience).pdf
     
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    There's currently a hurricane-level storm over the Arctic Ocean north of the Bering Strait, and ice levels are nosediving. Summer storms of that size melt the ice by churning it up with the warmer water, and by blowing ice south into warmer waters.

    So, pretty much everyone is now predicting a new record low this year for Arctic ice area. The question is just how low. This Arctic Ocean water is usually stratified. Colder less saline water, originating from the continents, sits on top of the warmer and saltier water down below. This storm was big enough to mix the top and bottom layers, bringing the warmer water up. We simply have no experience as to exactly what that will do, or how long the destratification will last.
     
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    Is any debate possible with mamooth and/or bobgnote?
    That was the Q#1 to mods?

    On a personal note, may I ask mods to delete the both and agent_286 and ban then them.



    Popping some pop-corn and coke to watch the reaction or rather absence of thereof from mods. Wouldn't be surprised if mods reprimand or ban myself.


    Hello mods, is anybody there? Can you just leave mindless nasty trolls on Obama's side to make PF a breathable space?
     

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