The Republican (Gop) model, Which Country?

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  1. SifuGun

    SifuGun New Member

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    Which Country in the world more closely resembles the Republican (Gop) model of governing? Which country is governing the way the Republicans would want the United States to govern. Then give me your Pros and Cons about it. Why repeat mistakes and why not follow models that seem to work?
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    No country is doing it. That said, there are no good existing models of government that would work for a country as large and diverse as ours.
     
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    Humm, that is interesting. So, We are on the cutting edge of Governance. We are honing the latest policies for the advancement of human existence. I guess we can not learn from the past or from existing government because they are not exactly like Ours. So without that example at hand, Can we learn something from other governments that have something similar to what the Republicans want?

    There is another thread here asking "What is wrong with the Sweden model."
    After reading it and from my own life observations, It seems to me that the rich and their corporations will not participate in paying their share of tax revenue. It seems the future will be paid for by the middle class and the poor. It seems to me that many European nations have already adopted this policy and we will soon naturally follow it. If we think it is correct or not. it seem the financial evolutionary cycle is flowing toward this policy. I think Obama's latest effort to get the rich to pay their share will fall on death ears. It is as though once you make a certain amount of money you become untouchable ,and ungovernable. You can go around doing whatever you wish. Which, ironically is exactly what the Gop keeps drilling into everyone. "We want less government." Let the wolves feast on everything insight! No i don't think so. The rich are spoiled children in the United State's house hold. They need to be disciplined. If they don't like it. We need to deport them for being Un-American. Obviously no one wants to be a dependent of a welfare state. When capital is not willing to participate in the current economy and college graduates can not find a job. We need to create laws to get capital involved or to get out of the country.
     
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    You can't create laws to get capital involved or get out of the country unless you first wage a successful civil war.
     
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    Well, your comment only serves to bring up this point. The Gop and their followers would rather go to War than to be part of development while a Democratic President is in power. It is like watching your younger adolescent brother fight. How do you propose we solve this problem Scientifically? But without lofty theories only tangible real working models.

    I hear Obama is creating an "Infrastructure Bank" or is that just a proposal. If it goes through that would be one way to get Government capital involved. Sure it is not Private Capital but they are busy creating sand castles in their sand box.
     
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    This is the ideal conservative republican society and govenrment:
    Afganistan: free market society, no government regulations, no "big government involvement, heavy religious people, dumb down public schools, and NO TAXES. Corporations and buisness can do what they want to people, and no lawyers and no blacks.
    Government does nothing, and politicans wait for the highest briber to tell them what to do. And they all stick to one simple party line "it's gosd will".
     
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    I thought infrastructure was promised with the last stimulus? Almost none was built. Why should we trust him now?

    The GOP want the government to stop messing with the economy. That is totally incompatible with Obama's plans, so why should they be part of them.
     
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    I read the quote on your profile page. It is a bit revealing. Trickle down economics ultimately does not work. You have Ronald Regan and G.w.b. to thank for that. The later really proved that in spades. Ha, the country just about totally crashed. W, did some good but that is another thread. Well, i guess crashing the economy is not proof enough for you. Maybe because you enjoy being abused. Well the rest of the population does not. Also they still have money from the last stimulus that are going to be used and create jobs. For instance many of the main arteries (streets) in my hometown are being rebuilt.
     
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    some people buy into propaganda more easy than others. True the consept of trickle down econ is about as effective as katsup testing. We must understand that the consept of tricke down econ was developed by simple people with simple minds, and it is a simple solution to a significantly complex issue. All this to target simple minded people's aproval, because it was simple to understand.

    But you are right it does not work, and what appears to be working is trickle up unemployment, where people out of work go broke, and can't buy the stuff they don't need, and the crap they can't afford. All that consumer based economy has stagnated because the USA growth has maxed out, and the capitalization of the USA has also maxed out. This is reason you see corporations and banks capitalizing off the USA governments and the taxpayer directly.
     
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    Thanks for this comment C.T. You are right on. The GOP would have us become Afganistan
     
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    America of 1959:sun:
     
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    What quote? The only thing I have on my profile page is my sig. It has nothing to do with trickle down economics, but with the tyranny of the nanny state vs. the tyranny of robber barons.
     
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    New Infrastructure projects take time and need to go through a beurocracy of apporvals, old project are faster but need private funding because the States do not hav any money to start up, and plans that are waiting, also go through a beaurocracy of approvals befor they can get funding. So that is why it takes time.

    When private lenders bail out of any of these projects, the State government and taxpayer pick up the cost to complete or close.

    Bottom line is, the taxpayer will pick up the cost, and the investment banks and corporations will make off with more money when the projects stop.
     
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    A lot of roads got paved and a lot of bridges got fixed from the stimulus. Most states would have spent zero on that in the last two years due to drastic decreases in state revenues. It was only the stimulus that made it possible.

    The lack of shovel ready new projects was the direct result of the Bush administration, and many republican state governors and legislatures reducing funding for planning on the idiotic assumption that money can be saved by not planning for the future.

    Unfortunately 85% of the stimulus went to useless tax breaks. If it was plowed into infrastructure spending planning could have been accelerated and work begun by this year.
     
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    Canada's Conservative Party is seen as the only Party globally which continues to preach the 'Bush Doctrine'.
     
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    We in the USA know how the Boooosh W doctrine played out. It was a global and economic fail. Hence, the halt to growth and capitalism off industry and buisness, and on to capitalizing off the taxpayer and government direct.

    Word wide, the world only sees the USA a a base for consumers, and technology and medical licensing. Other than that, the USA is seen as intrusive and is shutting out the capitalistst of the USA. Hell even Peruto Rico continues to oppose being the 51st state. Even Mexican are going back accross the boarder and on to South America.
     
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    You're not wrong.
     
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    I interpreted it as saying. I would rather be ruled by Robber Barons ( Regan and Bush for example ) than under the Nanny state. So, that is how it has to do with T.d.c. Those guys loved trickle down economics. T.d.c. is just middle class and poor people abuse. We want no part of that. Your sig note may not have been intended that way but interpretation trumps design all the time. Design and interpretation is also another thread.
     
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    Well, you way misinterpreted it, then. Learn about what the robber barons really were. Regardless, the nanny state increases tyranny much more than robber barons ever will. Because they are doing it for our own good, supposedly.
     
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    I'd say the USofA PRE-Constitution. You know...when the Articles of Confederation were inacted leaving the federal government so ineffective that those librul Founding Fathers had to write a new governing document that gave the federal government greatly increased powers including levying taxes.

    Or Somalia. I hear the taxes are low in the 3rd world nations that the right-wing seems intent to model our once great nation after.
     
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    You mean when the top tax rate was 90%?
     

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