The Secular Argument Against Gay Marriage

The same can be said of the religious right and the Republican party

 

Are you totally clueless ?! He mad a valid point which discredited the "homophobic" accolade - the best you can do is distract from it, which is exactly what you meagerly attempted .

 

Oh dear no ,boo hoo. Now back to POLITICS ,not silly ideas that the gay and Lesbian POLITICAL movement for Queer nationalism ,the newest and stupidest form .Has something to do with democracy ,or civil rights for that matter.

Lesbian and gay=politics .

Homosexuality =Sexual orientation . AND NEVER THE TWO SHOULD BE MISTAKEN!

Gay and lesbian DOESN'T Equate as Homosexual! nut job Politicians ,but not a Sexuality.

Its like saying the Government of One Obama ,equates to the entire nation of the USA ,Absurd, the LGBTIQ speak for no-one but a tiny privileged layer of the middle class.

And yes I fight for Normal Homosexual Women to have the Right to attack lesbian trash!

By stating that they are NOT LESBIANS <they are proud Homosexuals.

Dare you to go up to one of your 'lesbian friends " and tell them that they are in Fact Homosexual ,a beautiful Homosexual Female ,DARE YOU !

 

I Agree with your comments on Islam - But You Are - ISLAMOPHOBIC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfJ6FpabknY&list=PLG1cVjmfboRqRBuIwtH4iOSXUTqHX817A

And what the F does that have to do with the topic at hand ? Is Islamophobia a mental illness - NO, but homosexuality certainly is .....

" I brought up the topic of homosexuality as a disease in a chat room the other day, and i was almost kicked out of the room...it was like more taboo that abortion. I found this quite interesting. I think that is the reason there has not been a cure for homosexuality. Can you imagine what the media would do to a story like that? The public would go nuts if they found out that a cure for homosexuality was being worked on. Is it really that bad? Damn MTV and gay rights activists are so hellbent and proctecting the rights of gays and brainwashing them to think that it is completely natural and that it is OK. It is not OK. Homosexuality is the complete opposite of the natural human reproductive process. Humans are not supposed to be attracted to the same sex. Our bodies were designed perfectly for one male and one female. Homosexuality is a chemical imbalance in the brain (just like bi-polarity, depression, etc) and a cure should be researched. Of course it wont actually be worked on for a while, if ever, because of these brainless activists."
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?39193-Homosexuality-is-a-disease

 

I guess that means that anybody who takes birth control or otherwise doesn't want children is also mentally ill. I guess being mentally ill isn't such a big deal.

Maybe we have much bigger things to worry about. How about we cure Cancer, the common cold and other things that are actually worth worrying about. Some people's priorities are all out of whack.

 

I didn't post that here. You are quoting my signature.
In fact I haven't posted anything on this site for over a month now. My dispute with management caused me to quit posting here and post elsewhere where they don't have a problem with my anti muslim views.
I mistakenly replied to a post of a user that replied to a ancient dead thread and you guys start quotting my signature instead of what I posted. That is why I don't post here any more you folks are morons.

 

Silly Boy ... can't you see that was a quote ? That's what those cute itsy bitsy little quotation marks are for ... you're such a silly willy

That's right nothing to see, here move on now....

 

" The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) has issued a new report boasting that "TV hasn't merely reflected the changes in social attitudes; it has also had an important role in bringing them about. ... They want children indoctrinated as well. GLAAD is also not shy when it comes to Teen Nick, Cartoon Network and the Disney Channel. Apparently, children also desperately need the propaganda of gay characters in 42 percent of programming hours. They're extremely happy with the liberalism of "ABC Family" and have relayed that Disney Channel executives promised GLAAD they will "introduce LGBT characters in an episode of its original series 'Good Luck Charlie' set to air in 2014, a first for the network." The first of many, they expect.

Here's the catch: Gay characters never face any real opposition to the gay agenda on these so-called "inclusive" programs. There is no measure of Orthodox religious inclusion and no real debates. The victory of the left is assumed without thinking. When a conservative character is created &#8212; like Ellen Barkin's "Nana" in "The New Normal" &#8212; it's a vicious cartoon, the kind that those "against defamation" folks deeply enjoy.

These people are all about [Claim to be all about] tolerance and sensitivity. But if you disagree with them, they will have your head. Ask anyone in Hollywood who's pro-family." Brent Bozell - founder and president of the Media Research Center

 

Am I not allowed to respond to material you quote? Nevertheless, since you're mocking it, that must mean you agree with my assessment.

It must be pretty boring where you live if you find this an exciting and pressing concern.

 

It didn't happen you say ? .... It's on Tape, and it's on Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQXzzKTSDdE

 

Must suck to be in the minority culture. What goes around comes around, we'll try to be more merciful.

 

I'll give you that one - not my words and its logic does have some flaws. Posted it hurriedly b4 going on patrol today.

Jeff - I find it of the utmost concern when Children are preyed upon by depraved and demented homosexuals. At home, in school, everywhere - they can't watch TV, do their homework, get an education, listen to music, play a video game, join a youth group without some KWEER [intentional mis- spell] forcing his agenda down their throats.

I find it of the utmost concern when mentally ill people can't get the help they need to possibly lead a normal happy healthy and productive life because some crazed perverts try to tell them they aren't really sick.

I find it of the utmost importance when parents [REAL PARENTS] can't even legally get the help and counseling for their own children who suffer with this affliction because the same crazed perverts have banded together and hijacked the system.

Yes Jeff, I guess you could say it's pretty boring here in Arkansas.

Regards and Goodnight

 

Well, it is a free country. What do you propose as a solution? Sounds like the majority culture is finally feeling what it's like to be a minority. Regardless, I wouldn't much worry. Even countries that are decades ahead of the USA in gay rights like Denmark and Holland, they have substantially lower rates of HIV, and rates of homosexuality are the same as here in the USA. Taboos have a history of turning into temptations more than anything.

I find the damage caused by those thinking they could cure it to be no less disturbing. Even if you think it should be cured, we have countless cases of men feeling pressured to live "straight lives" that ultimately end up creating nothing more than broken families, divorce, and potentially sleeping around to satisfy repressed feelings then ultimately bringing diseases back home to their wives. I don't think any side can claim innocence in this, only that they believe what they are doing is right in principle. I believe the truth and best balance is usually somewhere in the middle.

Amazing what 3% of the population can do.

Obviously Have a good one.

 

Since all you have is personal attacks its pretty obvious you can't counter his factual claims on child molestation by homosexuals compared to the public per capita or his facts on democrats blocking the republicans' attempts to keep pedophilia from being a protected sexual preference under the law not to mention the facts around The American Psychiatric Association's change of heart on homosexuality being declassified as a mental disorder.

 

Actually that would be you and your side. I'm on the side where we've won close to 90% of the direct votes on gay marriage and have a majority of states who elected people who put laws in place to protect marriage between a man and a woman.

 

Hmm I don't really care what he or they call it. The challenge they have is that any standard they use carries countless others with it. Call it a mental illness because it didn't fit into a reproductive model? That makes everyone who avoids pregnancy ill. Call it an illness because it is"not normal" or "unusual"? Guess that means anybody who dips their hamburger into their milkshake mentally ill. Problem is most of these people don't know what it means to have a mental illness by clinical standards, shill they know I'd that homosexuals must be among them. Egocentrism at its finest.

 

Hmm...that's funny- more and more states are changing their minds. The public at large has changed. Guess you're not the majority anymore.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...age-affirmative-action-voting-rights/2479541/

Furthermore:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/10-myths

 

Let's see here:



Yup. I'm still in the majority and you're in the minority.

Do you need help reading the map?

Yes I've seen that. I'll take what people actually vote for more seriously.

For example, California voted twice against gay marriage and it took a gay judge to overwrite the will of the people.

In New Jersey the Democrats blocked a direct vote by the people on gay marriage.

And the vast majority of direct votes have been against gay marriage.

And the majority of states that have gay marriage did not get it passed by direct votes by the people

So you hold onto your poll. I'll hold on to the direct results of people actually voting on gay marriage.

Yes I've seen this before. Gregory Herek offers zero evidence to support anything he claims and that's a problem.

And the American Psychiatric Association has never cited the evidence to back up their decision to reverse it after being psysically bullied by homosexuals and their supporters while voting in the 70s.

 

Nope- I can read the map. Keep insulting me though.

Fact is this- more and more states are changing. Looks like Pennsylvania will be next, making it the 17th state to legalize it. Public opinion has definitely changed, the law will too. And you will lose.

So you hold on to the direct results of people voting in places like Maine? Yeah, right.

Zero evidence? The guy does research for a living. I'll take his word over some guy sitting in front of a computer.

And the APA was not bullied. Seriously- if we're only 4% of the population, we don't have the power to do that. The APA did research over decades and came to the conclusion themselves. Now, that you don't like reality is not my problem.

Do you need help understanding reality?

 

No insult. A genuine question.

That's a belief not a fact. The facts are still as I said. More states have voted against gay marriage and have laws in place to support traditional marriage..

Votes are how we change law. Not polls.

Then he should have no problem listing it. But he doesn't does he.

Completely false.

Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist has described what actually occurred in his book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis. (1981)

In Chapter 4, "Diagnostic Politics: Homosexuality and the American Psychiatric Association," Dr. Bayer says that the first attack by homosexual activists against the APA began in 1970 when this organization held its convention in San Francisco. Homosexual activists decided to disrupt the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In 1971, homosexual activist Frank Kameny worked with the Gay Liberation Front collective to demonstrate against the APA's convention. At the 1971 conference, Kameny grabbed the microphone and yelled, "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you."

Interrupting speakers, shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists sounds like bullying to me. Do you really think it isn't bullying to use these tactics?

lol I thought you were above the insults. The reality hasn't changed. My side has more states, more direct votes and more laws against marriage than you have for gay marriage in the US.

Is that clear?

 

Well if that's the case, you have nothing to worry about. Still, people seem to be worrying for some reason. Perhaps because how people vote is only a small part and reflection of what is going on around us. That's ok, you can keep clinging on to those votes while everything else falls around you. It is only a matter of time as your children and grandchildren will see, if not yourself.

 

The worry is the breakdown of our culture and law. You cannot make a case for gay marriage that cannot be used by every other sexual preference. Adding a "right" to marriage extending it beyond traditional marriage based on loose arguments any sexual preference can use for themselves based on nothing but the feelings of a select group of people and not based on race, gender or physical as all civil rights have been based invites disaster.

Why should anyone care about marriage if groups that have no basis in nature or genetics can claim it? Despite all of the rantings of the far left they cannot explain why in a society where they aren't even 4% of the population make up 1/3 of the pedophile cases nor can they base their sexual preference on it being natural or genetic as heterosexuality is demanding we throw basic science and human response to sexual stimulation being the body prepares for heterosexual sex out the window as if it never existed.

The homosexual cause is not only a war on traditional culture that built this country but a war on science itself replacing scientific fact with religious belief in homosexuality iteself.

 

The question you pose is an important and interesting one but irrelevant to the current discussion of marriage equality for gays. This question obfuscates the real issue of marriage equality &#8211;gay couples who want nothing more than to have the same rights as hetro couples. The issue of other sexual preferences is not on the table and has NOTHING to do with the current debate. Equality means equal to what heterosexual people can do that is generally accepted by society and is legal. When, and if the issues of further changing the definition of marriage comes up, it will be an entirely different discussion. Why, because it won&#8217;t just concern gays but rather everyone who engages in or wishes to engage in marriage, not to mention society as a whole. If anyone thinks that marriage equality as it is currently being discussed will upset the applecart of society think what that would do. AGAIN, it is not now an issue. Those using as an issue are engaging in scare tactics &#8230;.the old slippery slope argument and it&#8217;s a bogus one. Even if you can make the argument that to redefine marriage will embolden others to further alter it down the road, you can not penalize people who want something now, because of what it may lead to later

 

The bigger concerns you should be having (if at all) is the cultural changes among heterosexuals that allowed the question of gay marriage to be brought up in the first place. Marriage is not what it used to be, and in many ways, that's a good thing. The old reality of Marriage is that it was a means of transferring ownership and responsibility for women. Now that women have equal status, you're lucky marriage exists at all instead of being completely rejected by women. Between this and the invention of Birth Control and Divorce, it is the heterosexual community and the freedom of women that has completely redefined marriage. It is an institution of choice, of romance, of the individual pursuit of happiness. Yes, family is often part of it, but it is no longer a defined structure. Perhaps you should embrace the change since the odds of reversing the clock are all but nil, and the other alternative is the complete rejection of marriage. Marriage for all is something we can all embrace, for our own individual purposes. It is in our culture and humanity to desire companionship. This isn't such a bad thing.

 

Well Put Tex ! The general public is indoctrinated into believing that homosexuals are simply respectable adults who simply have a attraction to the same gender. This is not the case in a large percentage of Gays.

Pedophiles for instance are overwhelmingly Gay.

Almost all child sexual abuse is committed by men; and

Less than three percent of American men identify themselves as homosexual; yet

Nearly a third of all cases of child sexual abuse are homosexual in nature (that is, they involve men molesting boys). This is a rate of homosexual child abuse about ten times higher than one would expect based on the first two facts.

These figures are essentially undisputed. However, pro-homosexual activists seek to explain them away by claiming that men who molest boys are not usually homosexual in their adult sexual orientation. Yet a study of convicted child molesters, published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior, found that &#8220;86 percent of offenders against males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual&#8221; (W. D. Erickson, M.D., et al., in Archives of Sexual Behavior 17:1, 198.

It should also be pointed out that people who engage in Beastiality have rights also. I mean if you do it with another male or female as the case may be THEN WHY CAN'T YOU DO IT WITH A GOAT. Don't they have rights also ? Why shouldn't they be permitted to marry their Dog or Cat or livestock ?