The stupidity of America

Why is it always either/or with you cons? You can do both: raise taxes and cut spending. That's a better solution than just raising taxes or just cutting spending. Actually, taxes really don't need to be raised. Just end the tax cuts on the super wealthy and bring it back down to its original level.

 

Originally Posted by Truth Detector
Once again we see Canadian Liberals living on planet denial; again, if you calculated ALL the taxes and fees we pay down here; it amounts to a LOT more than 30%.

So your argument is that because it doesn’t work for everyone else, why should we do it differently; what a laughably stupid argument.


Originally Posted by Truth Detector
But that isn't the point; the point is how is sending even MORE to the Federal Government a good thing?

Wrong; it will does NOTHING of the sort and after already spending $1 trillion and achieving nothing that was promise only idiots would argue for more of the same.

Clue for the clueless; in order for Government to spend more, it must first confiscate it by force from those who EARN it. Only a 5th grader could make such idiot claims and arguments after the failure of what Obama has already done with NOTHING to show for it all.

Please cite one credible example where endless Government spending has resulted in expanding the economy.

Originally Posted by Truth Detector
The notion that taxing people more will get the economy going again can only be expressed in the lunatic realm of Liberal ideology.

There aren't a lot of economist that would agree with such lunatic assertions.

No it does not work; obviously you are wallowing in willful denial.


Originally Posted by Truth Detector
Are you deliberately this absurd, or do you have to work at it?

This is the first lucid and honest post you have made in this thread.

 

If it was such a great idea, why didn't Democrats implement it when they had the chance when they had overwhelming majorities in Congress and the White House?

The answer is simple; because they knew it was political suicide and there is evidence that to raise taxes during a deep recession would make it more severe.

But again, the ONLY time you will see these morons on the Democrat side making such claims is when the republicans are in the majority; why do you think that is.

 

No thanks, I'm not paying more taxes that can be wasted on illegal aliens and the welfare they receive or the births that the where women don't bother to pay for, or so that this disgusting congress can get a raise.

Spending needs to be cut and massive audits need to be made to assure that we are not wasting any more money.

If our tax money was spent wisely and everyone, including billion dollar corps like general electric, Hewlett packard etc paid, we would be much better off.

Sadly, that won't happen though because the destruction of our nation has been planned.

By the way, gabby giffords is a traitor who voted yes for the dream amnesty act and yes for "Obamacare". The gods dealt with her accordingly.

 

Well, I'm glad we agree on this. I like about half of what Paul supports while strongly disagreeing with the other half.

 

I totally disagree with you!
AS I have never taken the substance, I would know nothing of the effects apart from the ones I see!

At one time I could look at someone and be able to tell if they took the stuff! Not now..too many taking the stuff!
But you can still tell by talking to an individual...so there is some aspect of the drug that is mind changing!

Mmm...and as its a stimulant its one by product is to enlarge the heart to the point of death!
Oooh not to mention the emphysema in the young, less than 25 years old, that is now being found because of the using of this drug!
And what about the mental problems associated with taking this drug even for short periods? Not everyone... but some suffer very quickly with paranoia etc.

Regards
Highlander

 

Not likely. The dems had the opportunity but the oppositon blocked it with watered down legislation duiring the previous debt debate in congress 2009. My only gripe is the weak democraps did not fight harder to eliminate the booosh tax cuts and tax loop holes for the wealthy in 2009 and let the minority repulocraps out do them.

 

Wow, divine retribution-is that what you're telling us?

 

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/c/credit_crisis/bailout_plan/index.html
Get it? It could have been ALLOT worse!

http://iws.collin.edu/kwilkison/Online1302home/20th Century/DepressionNewDeal.html

READ IT!

 

Taxes stile growth, lower taxes encourage spending and give investors hope for tomorrow and that is what the Market is build on.

Dumb people want to tax the rich because they have fallen for the class warfare Obama wants. The rich are the ones who create businesses and jobs over tax them and they won't spend.

The people are not spending because they have no hope and no jobs.

The stupidity in America is that Obama is in office after spending us nearly into an abyss it will take years to dig out of. Obama contributes to the stupidity in a huge way. As do those who still support the failure.

 

the tax cuts to the wealthy that begun under reagan, and have continued to the present day, have been a major contributor to the demise of the american economy.

tax cuts which are spread throughout the populace stimulate growth - those that are concentrated in a small minority at the top do not.

this is basic.

 

Factual error. Don't comment on internal American affairs unless you know what you are talking about.

 

So it's only Americans who can do that about other countries, is it?

 

Actually...smart-ass...Ronnie DID lower taxes originally. And then did this:

At least he had some semblance of common sense...which is more than anyone can now say about T-Baggers.

 

and you know this because...that's how you balance you checkbook?

Look...it is historically proven that you spend during a recession and save during a boom. HISTORICALLY PROVEN!!!

You can't simply ignore FACTS just because your provincial thimble full of common sense tells you otherwise.

If you don't understand national economics, and choose to completely ignore FACTS...then maybe you should just let the grown-ups work at it...and you can enjoy another can of Schliz...

 

This is nothing but a BS non-factual claim. The Dems had sufficient majorities to pass Obamacare and the stimulus plan along party lines; they could have done the same with tax increases.

The UGLY truth is that even many of their own party did not agree that tax increases were a good idea and they knew it would be political suicide with the American voters.

The ugly partisan truth is that these Democrats only seem to clamor for tax increases when the Republicans are in the majority.

That is because you avoid reality and the truth; they didn't do it because they knew it would be political suicide. Even that did not save the House Democrats in 2010.

Democrats only care about political power and have historically been shown to say whatever it takes to get elected and then go back on their own words.

 

When your actions effect other people such as drug usage around children, then I see no reason why child endangerment shouldn't be kept on the books as a felony while decriminalizing at the same time.

Hasn't it been an ongoing theme that adults can use drugs as a recreation and do it responsibly? Well then, i see no problem with society doing what it can to justify this attitude by letting adults behave responsibly while they are using minus children.

And I'll have to disagree with you that decriminalizing drug usage as being a first step but instead, the only necessary step needed to relieve the enormous cost of law enforcement concerning adults who chose to use without having to do so and face criminal prosicution for using.

 

Originally Posted by Truth Detector
Wrong; it will does NOTHING of the sort and after already spending $1 trillion and achieving nothing that was promise only idiots would argue for more of the same.

I see that following a debate is as difficult for you as comprehending facts.

I wasn't talking about the TARP program which was passed during Bush's Presidency and with Obama's vote, I was referring to the American Recovery Act which with interest cost the American taxpayer $1 trillion plus.

Here is what this moron of a president claimed when he signed this idiot package passed with a straight partisan vote:


In televised remarks from the museum, Obama said prior to signing the bill that the ARRA was “the most sweeping economic recovery package in our history.”


“Today does not mark the end of our economic troubles. Nor does it constitute all of what we must do to turn our economy around," Obama said. "But it does mark the beginning of the end – the beginning of what we need to do to create jobs for Americans scrambling in the wake of layoffs, to provide relief for families worried they won't be able to pay next month's bills, and to set our economy on a firmer foundation."

How has that worked out so far?

Key words; COULD HAVE. In other words, all this is is pure hyperbolic speculation ASSuming that which Liberals want to claim MIGHT have been. Without the stimulus, unemployment COULD have been worse as well.

But the historical facts suggest that things COULD have been better had we not bailed out the banks and spent $1 trillion attempting to stimulate the economy with money the Government doesn’t have and will now have to forcefully extract from those who earn it and unemployment COULD have been better had Congress not played with Keynesian economic policies.

Originally Posted by Truth Detector
Clue for the clueless; in order for Government to spend more, it must first confiscate it by force from those who EARN it. Only a 5th grader could make such idiot claims and arguments after the failure of what Obama has already done with NOTHING to show for it all.

Please cite one credible example where endless Government spending has resulted in expanding the economy.

Perhaps it is YOU who should read, or do you only read what might support your failed ideology:

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx

From your own source which provides no economic conclusions but intuitively comprehends a shred of the truth:

What then is the legacy of the New Deal as a whole? Would it have ended the Depression? The best answer to that is that it went a long way toward alleviating the worst suffering of the Depression while still being captive to the conventional thinking (political, fiscal, racial) of the day. We cannot answer that question of whether it could have ended the Depression based on historical facts. World War II interrupted the process.


I see reading and comprehension are not your forte’ much like you prefer to avoid truth and facts.

 

Here is the best evidence that demonstrates we Americans are not the brightest people in the world.

"There is a disturbing let them eat cake mentality projected by the Obama White House, whether the president is advocating higher taxes in the face of a possible double dip recession, or hosting elaborate parties while 45 million Americans depend on food stamps. No US presidency in modern times has been more elitist or out of touch than the present one, which exudes the kind of condescending left-wing snobbery that is normally the preserve of an ivory tower common room. President Obama looks increasingly aloof and out of sync with the American people, three quarters of whom now believe the country is heading down the wrong track – including a staggering 58 percent of Democrats, according to Rasmussen."

^



Is this man a narcissist, or what? Barack Obama strikes a pose for his followers unsettling similar to that of Benito Mussolini, Fascist dictator of Italy.

 

Wrong; but typical for Liberals. Reagan agreed to tax increases because Tip O'Neil and the Democrats, who declared his budgets DOA during the 8 years of his Presidency and due to the stupidity of Americans who kept voting Democrats in during Reagan's Presidency, agreed to cutting Government. Of course this turned out to be a false promise and lie on the Democrats side who implemented the tax increases without ever considering the cuts as promised.

The lesson Reagan learned and which Republicans need to continue learning is that Democrats will lie outright to implement their failed ideological programs and then demagogue their opponents on the issue of increasing the taxes.

Carry on; your inability to get even the simplest facts correct is an example of the laziness that defines Liberal ideology.

 

Well Obamacare did add almost 500 billion in new taxes (over 10 years) so they just couldn't help themselves. And the press helped them with providing virtually no coverage of the tax increases. But when it came time to let the Bush tax cuts expire, they lost their nerve. They controlled Congress and the Presidency and still extended the Bush tax cuts.

 

Logical fallacy.

The dumbed down, lamestream media, tabloid charade narrative by govmnt officials and TV/radio pundits have nothing to do with how educated American voters are.

News is produced from the top-down, from the wealthy elite down to the working class.

Read the Guardian UK or Al Jazeera and choose more educational news sources.

 

Because we don't want to be taxed like the fat Canadian morons allow themselves to be. Tax rates in total are more than enough to sustain the country. When spending is cut adequately we can talk about temporary hikes until the debt is at a reasonable level.

 

'Read my lips, no new taxes'. That Bush chappie (who, naturally, didn't have any interest in political power) was evidently a stealth democrat. You do come up with some choice crap TD. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5DZBFbMdjI"]‪Read my lips: no more taxes‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

 

We're not the brightest people because our educational system stinks. We have too many young people coming out of colleges dumber than they went in who are clueless because everybody told them that college is where they're supposed to be. So instead of entering the work force with a potentially good paying job after they graduate, they join unemployment lines instead.

Too many idiot parents think that the key to improving education is more money.

Since the creation of the Department of Education, education in this country has gone steadidly down hill. What we need to do is admit to ourselves that only our brightest students should be attending colleges and everybody else should be in vocational, technical training and that way, we won't have to rely on foreign importing to handle our technical field employment, we can do it ouselves.