The Sun-Climate Effect

The data shows that there is no climate catastrophe. The earth has warmed ~ 1 degree C in the last 150 years. And that warming has benefited the human race.

The green policies implemented by the western democracies are causing great economic harm to low income citizens of those countries and are enriching the Chinese Communist Party as well as feeding into their 100 year plan for global domination. And these policies are doing nothing significant to reduce the rate of global human CO2 emissions.

 

Just not at the same time...

The strong warming of 2023 followed a five-year cooling trend accompanied by increased GCRs, and occurred after the onset of extremely and unexpectedly high solar activity relative to the phase of the solar cycle.

GCRs are only one factor of many -- even of many that are related to solar activity. Obviously, other factors can outweigh any one factor at any given time, especially given the complex lags, latencies and feedbacks in the climate system.

No matter how much you love your theory, if the data says it's wrong, it's wrong. The data says your theory is wrong.

 

In what way have we “benefitted” because the world governments would love to hear about it!

 

No they wouldn't; it'd crush their goal of a world super government superior to all national governments. Basically a UN on steroids.

 

Read climate economics by Richard Tol.

 

Sooooo how many world governments are in on this conspiracy?

 

No link no real effort to provide a real answer
No I won’t spend money on some half witted attempt to make a personal fortune from the fossil fuel industry - not when definitive reports like Stern (UK) and Garnaut (Aus) have already definitively answered the question. For someone who purportedly believes global warming exists he certainly swims with a lot of denialists
https://www.desmog.com/richard-tol/

 

It’s all in the book. If you are interested you will read it.

 

Hmmmmmm and he has been fought out with errata in research
https://retractionwatch.com/2015/07...al-paper-on-economic-gains-of-climate-change/

 

Why should I pay to do YOUR research?

 

I have already done mine. Why should I waste my time on someone who believes in the climate catastrophe scenario?

Also read Nordhaus's "Climate Casino" and the IPCC fourth assessment report which states that "food production is projected to increase with increases in local average temperature over a range of 1 - 3 degrees C" not to mention the benefits of increasing CO2 concentration in the atmosphere.

I read books for my information. Internet links are imo very much less reliable.

 

Ask the WEF.

 

This thread actually concerns a climate hypothesis very different from Svensmark's. Those who took the time to read the posts know this.
That said, there is nothing in Svensmark to claim that GCR influence cannot be countered by strong solar output.

 

You just proved you don't know anything about the effects of climate change.

Agricultural yields continue to rise due to higher temperatures, even in addition to the CO2 fertilization effect.

Higher temperatures also accelerate the hydrological cycle, providing more precipitation for farming and forest growth.

The number of people who die as a result of temperature-related weather events is lower because an order of magnitude more of them die of cold than of heat, and higher temperatures result in fewer temperature deaths overall.

The reduced cost of heating is another benefit.

How have you managed to keep yourself ignorant of all those benefits of natural global warming? Are you unaware that periods of warmer climate were called, "optimums" before that term was ruled politically unacceptable?

 

Corrected and moved on.

 

Crops yields are up, deaths are down.

 

But are you not the one claiming that research is flawed and we should not take notice of it? Thought there was a thread about that somewhere here…..

 

That is not something I have ever said and that is not the point of the thread to which I believe you refer.

 

Really? The same WEF that actually is doing nothing to actually stop production of fossil fuels?

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...il&utm_term=0_29c928ffb5-bd05f08273-330680550

 

Good for them.

 

Really? That wasn’t the impression I got, but then I should expect that different standards should apply. Mind you Tol is not a denialist - he acknowledges that climate change is happening - he just disputes the projected impact and in that he is pretty much a lone voice. Btw if you look him up he has contributed to IPCC reports which kicks the “Detractors are not allowed to speak” conspiracy theory

 

Will ye or Nil ye change is coming

 

I'm not responsible for the failure of others to keep up with the material.
I'm aware of Tol's views and the difficulties faced by dissenters from IPCC orthodoxy.

 

Maybe not.

"The International Energy Agency has its opinion. Darren Woods has his. If you are the betting sort, wager on Woods. He just wagered $59.5 billion.

The IEA, which thinks consumption of petroleum will peak and begin to decline by 2030, says the world is at “the beginning of the end of the fossil fuel era.” Woods, ExxonMobil’s CEO, is spending $59.5 billion to buy Pioneer Natural Resources, whose CEO told the Financial Times that, including the natural gas and natural gas liquids with the oil, what ExxonMobil is buying in the Texas-New Mexico Permian Basin is “as big as Saudi Arabia.”

Chevron, America’s second-largest oil company, also recently placed a big bet. By buying Hess petroleum company for $53 billion last month, Chevron gets Hess’s large North Dakota position in Bakken Formation shale and Hess’s almost one-third of a major recent oil discovery — the estimated 11 billion barrels of oil equivalent crude off Guyana’s coast, where production is expected to rise from today’s 400,000 barrels a day to 1.2 million by 2027. Chevron CEO Mike Wirth: “We live in the real world, and have to allocate capital to meet real-world demands.”

Voters are demanding less green bossiness. Sweden’s government has cut fossil fuel taxes several times in the past 12 months, taxes that have fueled populism. British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, with a general election impending, has announced a five-year delay, until 2035, on banning the sale of internal-combustion cars. Germany, with the right-wing populist Alternative for Germany party gaining strength while denouncing “green fascism,” has said green home-heating rules will be delayed. Last month, General Motors, bowing to obdurate consumers, announced that its target of building 400,000 electric vehicles (current average price for EVs: $53,000) by mid-2024 must wait. Ford has moved its EV production target out a year. . . . "
Washington Post
Opinion | The fossil fuel era isn't done yet, not by a long shot

 

Nordhaus understands the benefits as well as the IPCC as stated in the fourth assessment. Additionally the economic analyses covered in Tol’s book understand the benefits as well.

Most people participating in this forum acknowledge that the earth has warmed approximately 1 degree C sinc the end of little ice age 150 years ago. But there is absolutely no scientific proof using the scientific method that human CO2 emissions is the control knob for global warming. As I and others have repeatedly pointed out western democracies are causing great economic damage to low income families. The beneficiary of this is the Chinese Communist Party.

Shen do you think thd world will end? What temperature and what year?