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  1. Marlowe

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    The Temple mount new facts/reasons , why there are certain restrictions on Jewish + gentile zionists (US Evangelicals etc) .. The other thread seem to have given a false impression/loaded with half truths etc. besides it has now gone completely off the rails. One can only wonder why the lead poster of that thread failed to mention the following . Itss hard to believe such a learned scholar as him would not have been aware of this :

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    Leading rabbis rule Temple Mount is off-limits to Jews

    from Haaretz
    by Nadav Shragai

    Chief rabbis Yonah Metzger and Shlomo Moshe Amar, and a number of important rabbinical figures associated with the national religious world, have issued a halakhic ruling reiterating that it is forbidden for Jews to enter any part of the Temple Mount in our times. A similar halakhic ruling was issued a few months after the Six-Day War in 1967.

    The current ruling was signed also by former chief rabbis Ovadia Yosef, Avraham Shapira, Eliahu Bakshi-Doron, the rabbi of the Western Wall, and heads of well-known national religious-oriented yeshivas.

    It is seen as a blow to the members of the Temple Mount movements who have been trying for years to get a wider circle of rabbis to endorse the present-day entry of Jews to the holy site.

    The ruling points out that Jews must avoid the entire site of the Temple Mount.

    "Over the years," the rabbis state, "we have lost the exact location of the Temple, and anyone entering the Mount could unwittingly enter the area of the Temple and the Holy of Holies. With this in mind, we reiterate our warning ... that no man nor woman should set foot in the entire area of the Temple Mount, irrespective of which gate is used for this purpose."

    The original halakhic ruling was issued by the two chief rabbis at the time, Isser Yehuda Unterman and Yitzhak Nissim, and they were joined by hundreds of other leading rabbinical figures. The current ruling was the initiative of the rabbi of the Western Wall, Shmuel Rabinowitz, and the head of the Ateret Cohanim yeshiva, Shlomo Aviner.

    There are three basic prohibitions noted in the ruling: the lack of information about the location of the Holy of Holies; the fact that all the Jews of our times have been in the presence of the dead, or of others who have; and that so many leading rabbis have ruled that persons who are not pure must not touch holy ground.

    During biblical times, the ashes of a flawless red heifer were required for ritual purification of any Jewish worshiper wishing to pray at the Temple. All attempts so far by Temple Mount enthusiasts to find the rare creature have failed.

    The halakhic ruling comes at a time when the Temple Mount movements are gaining unprecedented momentum. Thousands of Jews, most of them religious, visit the site monthly. They regard the ruling as an attempt to relieve the rabbis' consciences and follow the teachings of their own rabbis, ignoring the sign at the entrance to the Mughrabi Gate that warns of possible death for those who disobey the ruling.

    The turning point for these enthusiasts came when dozens of Yesha rabbis gave permission to go to the site a few years ago. Since then, many yeshiva students have gone, joined by their religious leaders. Their rabbis claim they have defined the area where it is possible to stand without touching holy soil. These include additions to the Temple built by Herod, such as Solomon's Stables, and the strip behind the Western Wall.


    Chief rabbis prohibit Jews from entering Temple Mount from The Jerusalem Post
    by Associated Press

    Chief Rabbis Shlomo Amar and Yona Metzger, as well as 21 other leading rabbis, have issued a religious ruling forbidding Jews from entering the Temple Mount compound, Western Wall rabbi Shmuel Rabinovitch said Tuesday.

    Israeli security officials have expressed fears in recent months that Jewish extremists could attack the site in an attempt to derail the government's plan to withdraw from the Gaza Strip and northern Samaria this summer.

    The Temple Mount, Judaism's holiest site, includes the Aksa Mosque compound, built atop the ruins of the Jewish Temples. Also the third-holiest site in Islam, the compound is one of the most contentious issues in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    Rabinovitch said the prohibition on entering the compound is meant to prevent desecration of the site by a growing number of Jewish visitors. He called the decision a religious matter, not a security issue, but added that he hopes the announcement will prevent possible violence.

    "This comes in response to greater numbers of Jews going up to visit the mount," Rabinovitch said. "There is a prohibition against attacking the area and it is a great prohibition. If this (ruling) will influence this, it is a very, very good thing."

    Rabinovitch said the rabbinical ruling reiterated an earlier decision issued after the Six Day War of 1967, when Israel took over east Jerusalem and its holy sites.

    The rabbis believe that Jews may not step on the area of the Temples, so as to prevent their possible desecration. Only once the messiah has come and Jews are purified will they be able to enter the area, he said.

    Since it is not clear exactly where the Temples were located, Jews are not allowed anywhere on the mount, Rabinovitch said. A sign forbidding Jews from entering the mosque compound has been posted at the entrance through which Israelis are permitted to enter, he added.(AP)


    Rabbis bar Jews from holy site
    from The Times of India
    by Associated Press

    JERUSALEM: Israel's top rabbis have issued a religious ruling forbidding Jews from entering Jerusalem's Temple Mount compound, a rabbi said on Tuesday, a decision that could ease tensions at the disputed holy site.

    The mount, known to Muslims as Haram a Sharif, or Noble Sanctuary, is one of the most contentious issues in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    The Al-Aqsa mosque compound, Islam's third-holiest site, is built atop the ruins of the biblical Jewish Temples, Judaism's holiest site. Israeli security officials have expressed fears in recent months that Jewish extremists might try to attack the compound.

    Shmuel Rabinovitz, chief rabbi of the Western Wall, said the prohibition on entering the compound was meant to prevent desecration of the site by a growing number of Jewish visitors. He called the decision a religious matter, but added that he hopes the announcement will prevent possible violence.


    Temple Mount Still Declared Off-Limits

    from The Washington Post
    by Associated Press

    A group of prominent rabbinic leaders, including Israel's chief Sephardic and Ashkenazi rabbis, announced Monday that Jews may not set foot on the Temple Mount, Judaism's holiest site.

    The formal rabbinic decree reinstates a ban that had been in effect for centuries but in recent years has been reinterpreted by some rabbinic authorities.

    Rabbis traditionally have deemed the mount, where the first and second biblical temples once stood, off-limits out of fear that Jews might inadvertently tread on the Holy of Holies, considered too sacred for ordinary people.

    The Wakf, the Islamic trust that maintains the mount, has long tried to prevent non-Muslims from visiting the mount, which Muslims call Haram al Sharif. It fears that non-Muslim extremists will try to destroy the Al Aksa mosque, Islam's third-holiest shrine, located atop the mount.

    In recent years, many Jews called for the rabbis to permit Jewish visits, fearing that the dearth of Jewish visitors would strengthen Muslim claims to the site. Palestinians, who want East Jerusalem - where the mount is located - to be the capital of their future state, have sometimes denied that the first and second temples existed.

    In response to this effort to delegitimize Jewish claims to the mount, several rabbis decided to allow Jewish pilgrimages, drawing tens of thousands of Jews from around the world to the site.

    The new ruling calls for an end to these pilgrimages. It states that "over the years we have lost the exact location of the Temple, and anyone entering the Mount could unwittingly enter the area of the Temple and the Holy of Holies. With this in mind, we reiterate our warning... that no man nor woman should set foot in the entire area of the Temple Mount, irrespective of which gate is used."



    http://www.templeinstitute.org/archive/25-01-05.htm


    The most serious reason is that extremists
    plan to destroy the architecturally most beautiful builing in J'lem's skyline.


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    Increasingly, zealous Jews in Israel and End-Time Christians in America are calling for the rebuilding of a "Third Temple" where the Dome of the Rock stands.

    In his book, Arabs and Jews: Wounded Spirits In A Promised Land, New York Times journalist David Shipler reports, "During my five years in Jerusalem, the idea of building a Third Temple in place of Al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock evolved from a wild notion held by a very few fringe militants into a goal embraced and legitimized by parts of the established right wing."

    Shipler continues, "Some groups had a letterhead printed with a composite aerial photograph of the Old City as it is today and the Temple Mount as they wish it to be tomorrow: clear of mosques and dominated by a huge temple."

    End-Time Temptation
    In a recent book, The End of Days: Fundamentalism and the Struggle for the Temple Mount," Israeli journalist, Gershon Gorenberg writes, "The Temple Mount beckons seductively to believers eager to restart redemption." Although journalists or theologians often mock them, Gorenberg claims governments need to take their apocalyptic schemes seriously. According to messianic groups in Jerusalem such as the Temple Mount Faithful, three events must take place before the Jewish messiah comes: the reconstitution of Israel, the return of the Jews to their homeland; and the construction of a Third Temple.

    As religious Jews tell it, the first two events came about through the founding of the Jewish State in 1948. They believe the third has become possible due to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war. Israel found herself capturing the West Bank and East Jerusalem. "The Temple Mount is in our hands," proclaimed Motta Gur, the Israeli commander. But on the fourth day of occupation, then Defense-minister Moshe Dayan decided to return control of the Haram compound to clerics from the Islamic Trust or Waqf.

    Despite the control of the Haram by the Waqf, the continued occupation of the Old City of Jerusalem by Israel has transformed the rebuilding of the Temple for extreme Jews from a divine prophecy into an attainable human endeavor.

    Palestinians have always felt the goal of Jewish Zionism is, as its name implies, control of the Temple Mount and the construction of the Third Temple. In
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    Good points...

    I don't believe in any religion, so I don't really have a horse in this race, but yeah, a certain other poster seemed to have completely mischaracterized the situation with the temple.
     
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    They already tried to build the Third Temple around 300 AD..


     
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    If you don't have a horse in this race why are you always posting with favoritism towards the Arabs view?

    What is mischaracterized is the previous posts here. They again are only, half truths. That there is disagreement between the Jews as to their right and freedom to enter the temple mount is true. But there are many who see the ruling given in 67 by certain rabbis as an effort for them to relieve their own consciences. As they indicate that the exact location of the temple is known well enough to avoid 'holy ground'. And so many Jews follow their own rabbis and ignore the ruling and go to the temple mount to pray.

    The previous posts seem to indicate that the Arabs only concern over the Jews was the fear of an attack upon the Dome of the Rock. Which is certainly legitimate fear. But, the main problem with the Arabs is that they do not want the Jews praying on the temple mount. Forget the reasons between the Jews. The Arabs don't want the Jews praying on the temple mount because they see it as their holy place.

    In January 1976 a lower court reversed the ban. What happened? The Arabs revolted. Why? Certainly not because they cared about the Jews stepping on the Jews holy places. The rioted becauses they don't want the Jews praying on their holy ground.

    Arabs rioted and protested the lower court ruling but the District Court upheld the right of the Jew to pray on the Temple Mount "if the Ministry of Relilgious Affaairs could regulate such activity to maintain public order". And because the Arabs were always rioting over this, then public order couldn't be maintained. Which results in the constant refusal of Jews being allowed on the Temple Mount to pray.

    And at this time there are even special Islamic officials whose job it is to walk around the temple mount to make sure the Jews are not moving their lips in prayer.

    This is the reason the Jews can't pray on their own temple mount. The Arabs riot and protest.

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    Serfin US

    Check my link .

    Leading rabbis rule Temple Mount is off-limits to Jews

    That was in Jan 2005


    Also note - before the influx of Europe's rejects - the Zionists Jews, their was no friction in J'lem between Sephardic Jews and Palestinian MUslims, It seems that conflicts were ignited AFTER the arrival of of Zionism soon proved an existential threat to both Christian + Muslim Palestinians, leading to Jewish terrorists gangs LEHI/Irgun/Stern etc., carried out a plan to convert a land with a Jewish minority into one with a Jewish majority, which meant driving out most non-Jews.


    Whatever BS is being peddled, there no denying that Zionists hijacked Judaism, to sserve Western imperialism . One thing is certain , its got sweet f - all to do with religion.


    ..... cheers.

    btw - there are more fist fights brawls in J'lem between Christian clerics than bewteen Muslim Arabs + Jews. I'll go into that later.
     
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    Do you deny the reversal of the ban in 76 by the Lower Court?

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    The texan twit cant work it out that the ban by Leading rabbis rule Temple Mount is off-limits to Jews was in 2005

    so how the fik could it have been reversed 29 fikkin years ealier in 76 ?

    based on past experience , my stock reply to that idiot is ::fart::fart::fart:
     
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    I have written an in depth article dispelling this myth of the "Religious prohibition" against Jews entering the Temple Mount today. With sorrow the Rabbi of the Western Wall Shmuel Rabinovitch is playing politics when he condmens Jews who ascend in accordance with Torah Law.

    Op-Ed: Response to Rabbi Shmuel Rabinowitz and the Kotel Renovations
    November 6, 2010


    Truly Renewing the Old

    In his article, “Renewing the Old”, Rabbi Shmuel Rabinowitz States as follows:”Since the destruction of the Temple and since thehalachic decision that due to our ritual impurity we can view the site from afar but must not go up to it, the Western Wall was made sacred by generations of pilgrims who came to pour out their prayers in front of its ancient stones.” What I am about to write, I write with trepidation, but yet with determination. Admittedly, I am not a great Torah scholar, but I have no idea what the honorable Rabbi is taking about!

    It is very clear from halachic literature that not only is it permitted to ascend the Temple Mount in our times, but that one even fulfills a religious command by doing so! When a Jew walks on the permissible areas of the Temple Mount, he is actually fulfilling the positive commandment of morah mikdash or showing reverence to the place of the Temple. Rabbi Moshe Ben Mimon (Rambam) clearly writes that this command applies even when the Temple is not standing, and that we should fulfill it by entering into the permitted areas of the Temple Mount. The Rambam writes in the “Laws of the Chosen House” the following: “Even though the Temple is destroyed due to our sins, one must show reverence, as was customary when the Temple was standing. One should enter into the permitted areas (of the Mount), but must not sit in the Temple courtyard nor act frivolously in the direction of the eastern gate, as it is written: “My Sabbath you shall guard, and my Temple shall revere” (Leviticus 19:30). Just like Sabbath is eternal, reverence for the Temple is eternal as well (ch.7, 7). Later in the “Laws of the Chosen House” theRambam uses forceful language in stressing the relevance of ascending the Temple Mount in our times, he writes: ”One is permitted to bring a dead body onto the Temple Mount and thus there is no need to mention that a person impure from contact with a dead body can enter (7, 15).” So from where do we find a “halachic decision” which is forcing us to only “view the site from afar, but not go up to it”?

    To make the above question even stronger, there is a famous dispute between the Rambam and Rabbi Avraham Ben David of Posquières (Ra’avad) if there is any sanctity on the Temple Mount in the post Temple area. In his commentary on the Rambam’s“Laws of the Chosen House”, the Ra’avd strongly disagrees with the Rambam’s assertion that sanctity of the Temple Mount is eternal, and thus states that the punishment of Karet, the harsh Torah punishment imposed on those who step into the Temple courtyard, is not in force today. Being that all modern day rabbinic authorities side with the Rambam and not the Ra’avad, I find it strange that while they accept the Rambam’s ruling that there is sanctity on the Mount, they simultaneously reject the Rambam’s ruling to ascend the Mount. If the Rambam is correct, and the sanctity of the Mount is eternal, one must honor it’s sanctity by ascending to the Mount within Torah guidelines! If the Ra’avad is correct and there is no sanctity on the Mount today, one could walk freely on the Temple Mount without any special halachic perpetrations, and there would be no reason for any rabbi to oppose ascent.

    In addition, to all those who discourage pilgrimage to the Mount in our times, I have yet another question. If there is so much concern over the spiritual punishment of karet on the Temple Mount, perhaps there should also be concern over marriage. The halachic laws of “family purity” are very complex and are similar in nature to the halachic laws governing ones ascent to the Temple Mount, and both carry the spiritual punishment of karet. Perhaps the same rabbis, who warn against ascending the Mount, should warn against the institution of marriage! Of course what I am suggesting is absurd! Every new bride and groom is taught the laws of “Family Purity” before their union, and we trust that God fearing people will faithfully follow the right path. The same approach should apply to those ascending the Temple Mount as well!

    I certainly agree with Rabbi Shmuel Rabinowitz that the Western Wall was only made sacred “by generations of pilgrims who came to pour out their prayers”, unlike the Temple Mount which was sanctified by the Almighty. In his book titled “The Temple Mount “, Former Chief Rabbi of Israel, Shlomo Goren points out that Jews have only been using the Western Wall as a place of prayer for about 400 years or so. Rabbi Goren describes how Jews only began to pray at the Western Wall when it became too dangerous to pray at the Eastern Gate of the Temple Mount, which was a preferred place of prayer for many years prior. In addition, anyone who took a tour of the “Western Wall Tunnels” knows that in the times of the Temple a market ran alongside the Western Wall and the wall was not considered holy at that time.

    Yes it is certainly time for a “Renewing the Old”; it is time to renew the Temple Mount as the central place of prayer for the Jewish Nation. At the Western Wall during the British area, Jews were not allowed to use chairs, tables, mechitzas and were even forbidden from blowing a shofar, but at least the British allowed them to pray! At the very least we should expect that the State of Israel grant us on the Temple Mount what the British granted us at the Western Wall! It cannot be that the policy of the Jewish State towards Jewish prayer is worse than that of the British!

    Let us hope that the Israeli Government will take at least some of the money set aside for renovations at the Western Wall and use it instead for the creation of a proper Jewish prayer area on the Temple Mount. The arrangement on the Mount could be patterned after the arrangement in the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron. The Tomb has been split since 1967 to facilitate for both Jewish and Muslim prayer. In this way we might see the fulfillment of the prophetic vision of Isaiah: “And they shall prostrate themselves before the Lord on the holy mountain in Jerusalem”.
     
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    WHAT A LOAD OF RELIGIOUS TWADDLE - an endless argument between religious nutters ( sorry - Rabbis ), - not much different as between Imams + Christians clergymen. PAH .

    However , its interesting that you failed to mention anything about the 2005 Rabbis ruling Temple Mount is off-limits to Jews, until I dug it out. You implied its totally the arabs objections.

    You also didnt mention those extremist jews who plan to destroy the mosque .

    One can only -wonder why - hmmmm.

    Is it true that its Israel Police and security , who control /prevent Jewish maniacs entering the mount - hell bent on destroying the Mosque ?

    As I've said you guys will have to wait a fikkin long time before any sort of Moshiach comes.

    Its pure and simple BS - go peddle it to someone else.
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    btw - are you really ex IDF sergeant Rabin ? How many Palestinian children did you murder ?

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    I did not mention this "ban" by some Rabbis who btw are State Employees and anyone who read the entire "religious ruling" realizes right away it was nothing more than a political statement to back up government policy.

    Second there are no crazy religious Jews trying to destroy the Dome of the Rock. This is a ongoing Arab lie, we have two objectives one is for the creation of a Jewish prayer area somewhere within the vast 36 Ackers of the Temple Mount walls. Second for the police to allow ONCE A YEAR for Jews to offer the Passover Offering, which according to the Torah must be done even without the Temple Standing, there is no need to build the Temple to offer this sacrifice on the Temple Mount. The Passover Offering only has a 6 hour window that it must be completed.

    I dont think requesting a year roung prayer area, away from the Muslim structures on the Tempel and that the Temple Mount be open for masses of Jews 6 hours a year on the eve of Passover is extreme at all. We are very much trying to compromise here.

    Last I never said it the was Muslims, I blamed the Israeli police and government from the beginning.

    Lastly, we did not shoot at children ever. Our rules of engagement were very strict. We were once under fire from a certain house and there were children in the house. We had strict orders not to return fire b/c of the children and we in the ended retreated with wounded soliders b/c of this decision.
     
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    tmount , in all honesty I cannot understand what so "Holy " abt a place with such a diabolical past :

    You strike me as someone set beliefs - dogmas - cast in stone - drummed into you from an early age.

    It could be while you were on Shabbot/shabbat , you might have missed ths post # 92 08-19-2011.
    :

    http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...ve-no-rights-temple-mount-10.html#post4348957

    I dont expect yr agreement but that's where I stand.


    shalom.
     
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    http://www.haaretz.com/news/yatom-jews-nearly-succeeded-in-1984-temple-mt-bomb-plot-1.129418

    Likud MK Ehud Yatom, who as a former Shin Bet official was one of the commanders of the operation to seize the members of the "Jewish Underground" terror group, said Sunday that the group was "very close" to carrying out a planned multiple bombing against Muslim holy sites on the Temple Mount in 1984.

    Click here to join a discussion on current Jewish extremism.

    Yatom was responding to a statement by Public Security Minister Tzachi Hanegbi, who confirmed Saturday that the security establishment had identified rising intent among current right-wing extremists to carry out a Temple Mount attack to derail Israel's planned withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

    Security sources have said possible actions included an attempt to crash a drone packed with explosives on the Temple Mount, or a manned suicide attack with a light aircraft during mass Muslim worship on the Mount. Other possibilities include an attempt by right-wing extremists to assassinate a prominent Temple Mount Muslim leader, perhaps from the Waqf Islamic trust.

    Yatom, speaking on Army Radio of the Jewish Underground of the 1980s, said, "We were very close, close as touching blood, to a most serious terrorist bombing, as members of the Underground planted five bombs in five buses, which were then to convey innocent civilians and tourists.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4357719.stm

    Jewish protesters are plotting to take over the Temple Mount in an attempt to thwart Israel's withdrawal from Gaza, an Israeli TV station has reported.

    Channel Two showed a video of the plotters, including rabbis and far-right extremists, in a meeting to discuss ways to occupy the holy site.

    The Temple Mount is known as the Haram al-Sharif (Noble Sanctuary) to Muslims.

    The meeting took place at a secret location in the Old City of Jerusalem, the TV station said.

    It involved representatives from 30 different groups.

    Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei has appealed to Israel to stop any action against the compound.

    "We warn that the region will explode if there is any attack against al-Aqsa," Mr Qurei told reporters.

    Large numbers of Israeli police were deployed around the Temple Mount compound in mid-February for fear of an attack by Jewish extremists.

    THIS LOOKS LIKE A LONG-TERM PATTERN OF EXTREMIST PLOTTING TO ME!
     
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    That is just some rabbis. The original ban was lifted in 76 by the government of Israel but with the stipulation to the Ministry of Religious affairs that they could maintain public order.

    See, its not to difficult.

    But as is always the case with the Arabs, you can't maintain public order. They riot and about the Jew praying on the Temple Mount. And this is the reason the Jew cannot pray on the Temple Mount. The rioting and protesting Arab.

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    Because it is the site chosen by God for the Jews to build their temple.

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    There are Jewish radicals who want to blow up the Mosque.

    See Temple Mount Faithful and others.

    400 Children were killed in Gaza when the IDF blew up apartment houses.
     
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    Facts are ALWAYS troubling...

     
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    tmount , what ? No crazy religious Jews trying to destroy the Dome of the Rock ? _

    I DO NOT GET INFO from arab sources]- In fact I avoid them for the simple reason that its more often as not , dismissed by the Pro-Israel camp., and whether you like to admit it or not , there are as many crazy jews in the world (proportionately ) as non-jews.

    Now abt those Meshuggenehs who want to build a new Templ e read the following , ( granted from a Christian source,) Jewish sources on this sensitive subject are in Hebrew, rarely translated into english.
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    In 1989, at the beginning of the Temple Movement, Time magazine reported that a 1983 newspaper poll had shown "that a surprising 18%.3 of Israelis thought it was the time to rebuild." (3) However, since that time Israel has suffered through the Intifadah, the "peace process," and numerous riots provoked by the issue of the Temple Mount. When last year I put the question to Ehud Olmert, mayor of Jerusalem, he replied that most people were not in favor of rebuilding the Temple, believing that such an act was associated with fanatics wanting to destroy the peace process.


    However, on February 11, 1996, The Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement - an Israeli activist organization that publicly demonstrates in favor of rebuilding the Temple - commissioned a poll, conducted by the international Gallup organization, of Israelis of all age groups. The question asked was: "The Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement, headed by Gershon Salomon, put forth its main ideology on the struggle for Israeli sovereignty and the Jewish future of the Temple Mount, Jerusalem, and the land of Israel, and the rebuilding of the Temple. How likely would you be to support the idea of this movement?"


    The results, according to the Temple Mount Faithful, were the largest show of support any organization in Israel had ever received (58%). Of the polled group, the highest percentage came from young Israelis. Depending on the usual variables in statistical surveys, this indicates a substantial increase in the readiness of Israelis to see Jewish sovereignty reasserted over the Temple Mount and a new Temple erected.


    http://www.apocalypsesoon.org/xfile-4.html

    Yearnings for a Third Temple

    http://www.templemount.org/tempprep.html



    Poppycock, dreck . I dont buy it. - Statistics prove otherwise, plus reports testified by ex IDF - Refuseniks-Gush Shalom- B'tselem = Rabbis for Human Rights , independent Western Journalists, + many peace activists orgs.

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    Yes there is an effort to have the temple rebuilt. As there should be. The Temple Mount belongs to Israel. Israel need to tell the Arabs that if they want to keep that portable mosque in one piece they better move now.

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    Jesus came to end animal sacrifice... and predicted that the temple would be destroyed ..

    The destruction of the Temple gave rise to Rabbinic Judaism.

    Why would a Christian go against Palestinian Christians?
     
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    Queertroll, , your responses to my posts are pointless, based on our previous exchanges, my stock answer to you is : :fart::fart::fart:

    You're not worth having an exchange of opinions or a serious discussion with

    Go learn..

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    LOL - thx Talon for yr well meaning.


    Although I'm not one of Twain's fans , I like yr siggy

    i.e. ":Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul."

    Our entrenched/closed minded /bible bigoted - Texan trolling twit = Queertrol should take note.


    :mrgreen:


    cheers.
     
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    Jesus is 'The' Sacrifice for sins. No problem there. But the Jews will still have their animal sacrifices.

    Yes, Jesus predicted the destruction of the temple. And the Bible is clear that the temple will be rebuilt.

    Is not a question of a Christian against Christians. Its a question of Arabs against Israel.

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    The OT prophets predicted the building of the second Temple.. It was destroyed n 70 AD.. Revelation predicted that there would be no Temple.

    No.. think.. you have betrayed Arab Christians.
     

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