The UK to leave the EU?

The chance that the timing of this article, a few weeks after the agreement between China and the UK to set up a currency exchange for the Yuan, plus UK brokers to have exclusive direct access to the Chinese stock markets, is significant is probably less than 50%. Still, if debate about leaving the EU is increasing in Britain now, that could indicate a move towards a shifting of alliances.

This is only a perhaps, and below 50% probability. Regardless of what India and Brazil have decided, it is true that there is a more or less simultaneous push by both Russia and China to expand territory. Therefore, there is just a possibility that Russia and China intend for Russia to invade the EU, but Britain has made herself safe by an economic alliance with China.

There is no reason to act now, unless some new data emerges, because this is only a possibility given the knowledge available at this time.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27176527

 

I don't think the British are wise enough to leave this stupid union .

 

I think they are. Public opinion polls have consistently shown that the Brits are far more opposed to membership and think it's a bad thing. It took a huge public drive to even schedule a referendum on the matter. Since the get-go, UK have rejected many EU rules (for example they wouldn't open borders for Romainians & Bulgarians) and they also never embraced the Eurozone or its currency. I think they're one of the few, if not the only, EU states that don't use the Euro. As for loyalty to the EU, the Brits are far below the European average.

I would vote for Britain to leave, except I've never been able to afford the citizenship fee.

 

The vast majority of people in Britain are against the EU as it does very little to bolster trade and erodes our sovereignty and self-determination.

And culturally that 30 miles of water between Britain and Europe separates more than just two landmasses.

We are simply better off on our own.

 

Scotland will take the 'UK' place in Europe, I dare say, after independence. Ireland is there already.

 

Quite right! AND, let us never forget that the British were wise (and cautious) enough NOT to join the stampede into the Euro along with all the cattle on the "Continent". Rule Brittania!

 

They will be lucky to even stay afloat.

One thing that they're not talking about is the North Sea revenues; that is to say that they'll lost most of it because it won't belong to them when or if they go independent.

And there's a whole raft of things that the SNP can't do either.

When the UK leaves the EU will be in even bigger trouble as we along with France and Germany are the biggest contributors to the EU.

 

Scotland doesn't want to leave the EU. It's a massive advantage to the independence movement. The Scots have no intention, one assumes, of gambling their EU future on an English Tory referendum.

 

A recent example - when the U.S. urged London to announce economic sanctions against Russia . Great Britain is first state which has not accepted the U.S. opinion ,while other EU countries were under heavy pressure of the U.S. saying "yes,yes we are thinking about it".
British are pragmatic nation.

 

But they will just as screwed anyway.

 

It's not a matter of wisdom. It's a matter of what the business elites want in the UK. If they decide an alliance with China and an exit from the EU is what is preferable for their interests, they will push for this.

If not, they'll have the alliance with China while remaining in the EU.

Beyond that, the UK is also closely aligning itself with Saudi Arabia with their stock exchange.

As far as what the masses want, however, that doesn't matter that much. Just like in a lot of the rest of the world (including the U.S.), the elites make the decisions. What the people want is hardly a factor, as we watch austerity measures pass in various European countries despite public opposition.

 

England essentially props up the economy of the rest of the UK. Scottish independence is essentially inconsequential if they retain EU membership anyway, since they'll ultimately answer to the EU either way.

If the Scots truly want independence, they should leave both, but doing so would require significant changes to their economic structure and considerable pains in the short term.

The Republic of Ireland is unfortunately very vulnerable at the moment due to financial sector issues, and Northern Ireland is even more dependent on England financially than Scotland is.

The situation is somewhat comparable to how certain American states are a lot more productive than others. For example, if New Mexico became independent, they'd drop considerably in their standard of living due to their current dependence on federal funds.

 

The Scots appear quite confident that they will flourish once independent of England.

 

I'm sure they are, but if they remain in the EU, they'll just be dependent on Germany and France.

 

Whatever the Brits decide is fine.

 

There is a lot of irony in that if it is true. There are only two possible outcomes to the EU: complete collapse of the effort, dragging down the economies of most every member or forced political integration to avoid the first alternative. There will be no sustainable in between. Either way, scotland would be giving up its sovereignty in the name of independence. Very Orwellian.

 

I don't agree that EU member States are not independent. Acceptance of basic human rights laws, freedom of movement and work, etc. are not tantamount to slavery.

 

How can a state be independent when another body determines how that state governs?

If not slavery then at the very least it's subjugation.

 

The member State is independent within the political structure it has chosen to join. As it has chosen to join then that structure becomes its own structure. The State doesn't cease to function because it has adopted those structural policies of its own free will. It has a full member voice as an independent member. It subjects itself to a democratic process- just as it did previously.

 

We joined in 1973 but relatively recently it's changed into something else which we didn't sign up for.

Never said it did.

That can be drowned out by others

Yes but not ours.

The EU has imposed itself upon Britain many times over and earned the discontent of most of us.
They've effectively overridden our laws, our borders and even the way we do business and this is not something that we wish to endure any more.

 

Well, you could have changed with it. The UK - a reluctant member- appears to have swung too far right.

Ok, just saying

That's democracy. The general UK public suffer exactly that under its internal political system

It is yours. You're a full member.

I hope that UK socialists manage to retain UK membership of the EU.

 

This is a bit general isn't it?
I was referring to the fact that the EU in the past 10-15 years has changed it's power from what was effectively a trading union to a political one.

Right oh, no worries.

Yes by our own by people who actually are a part of this nation and have a stake in it's future.

Right which is why we want to leave.

You mean under Labour? Having grown up during the three consecutive terms of Labour government I can say without doubt that they are the most cack-handed party we have today.
And the new leader of Labour (Ed) doesn't seem to have a clue.
And on top of that socialism is about spending money on social programmes and projects which don't have right now because Labour actually brought us into that situation in the first place.

So how sure are you about socialists (Labour) in the UK?

 

New Labour isn't a socialist party, from what I can see. It is still funded by some fool unions who think that it is, but it isn't. Nevertheless, Brits are socialist at heart- even when they vote for the self-serving Tories. I hope that they will see the advantages of belonging to a united Europe and win any referendum.
Of course, those same self-serving Tories who don't want any interference from Europe are quite happy to continue to interfere with Scotland. Hypocrisy as policy.

 

They need to find something soon or they are moving to far right Nationalism. They are so desperate for some feeling of solidarity.

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Scotland is the 2nd or third richest area of the UK. We will do fine thank you.

See above and also be aware that it is London and the South East which more or less props up the economy of the UK as you put it but to the detriment of manufacturing due to an artificially high pound needed to keep the City going. The rest of the UK loses out on this.

It would seem quite likely that an Independent Scotland could provide a hub for the North of England and we could work together. In that way they could start to get things going which at the moment does not seem possible due to the emphasis being on London and the SE

Not true though it is unclear what you are saying here. Scotland is expected to be a net creditor to the EU and we will form our laws just as independently as France or Germany. Obviously if we ever thought it was not best we could choose to leave but that is not how the majority of people feel at the moment.

I think you are confusing the EU and the Euro. Scotland in any case would not be allowed to join the Euro immediately and I have seen EU experts tell our Parliament we do not ever need to if we do not wish to, which is the current position.

You really need to stop pretending to be a spokesperson for all the UK. You have already been told Scotland does not feel this way. So it is England, more English Nationalists more so that is UKIP and far right conservatives.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...nded-after-claiming-Miliband-not-British.html

In any case I think England will vote to stay in the EU if it gets a vote. It will be far too scared to come out. At least in the case of Scotland's Independence we are moving to something better.

Night night.

 

That doesn't mean much.

I've no idea how Scotland will be able to pull it off without our Oil & Gas.
If Scotland leaves it will lose most of the benefits from the industry.

I'm not. I'm speaking from my own experience from what I've heard and spoken to people about.

No not just England.

A referendum is one the horizon.

If you say so