The Weaknesses of the Russian People

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  1. LibDave

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    Why is it The People of Russia never seem capable of establishing a government of The People, by The People and for the People? Time after time Russia seems to gravitate towards these Czarist-like dictatorships which inevitably rob The People of Russia of their wealth. Once complete they turn on their neighbors and attempt to repeat the process with an eye towards world conquest, claiming security needs.

    There is no need to conquer your neighbors. Sweden, Finland, the Baltics States, Poland, Moldova, Ukraine, etc. have no interest invading Russia so why the need for security? The only thing Russia needs to obtain security is a Russia without hegemonic aspirations. A Russia where elected officials are chosen from The People. Russian people who are free of corruption, not wealthy Oligarchs making decisions in their own interest. A Russian government which focuses on the needs of The People.

    It would be much less expensive to just get along with neighbors and prosper through trade. There is no limit to the standard of living which would be enjoyed by the Russian people if they just formed a government which focused on the well-being of its citizens internally. A truly capitalist democracy with regular turnover of elected officials. A Russia where the wealth of the nation is owned by The Russian People, not stolen by a few with concentrated obscene displays of wealth and wasteful spending.

    There is no need to conquer your neighbors. If you want what they have TRADE them for it! Prior to WWII this was the excuse given by Japan for expansion. They needed the resources of the other Pacific Nations. After they lost the war, they assumed they would be permanently impoverished. They discovered they were able to obtain those same resources through fair trade with little extra expense and no loss of life. They became a world economic power by allowing those nations to manage, process and export their own resources through fair trade. Japan does the more important design and manufacturing without the need for conquest.

    NATO (even one which includes Ukraine) is ZERO threat to Russia, unless you consider not being able to invade your neighbors without consequences a threat. Even so, there was no intention for Ukraine to join NATO. In fact, by previous treaty Ukraine gave up its nuclear capabilities and agreed not to join NATO in exchange for assurances from Russia they would maintain peace and trade and refrain from interference in Ukraine.

    Is it just something cultural about The Russian People which results in them gravitating away from Liberty and self rule?
     
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    Russians are "bricks"....democratic concepts are foreign to them....they don't understand it....and frankly don't want it.

    They far prefer getting clubbed on the head...I think they even demand it.

    It may require 2-3 generations for any sort of de-toxification....maybe!
     
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    There is always some hope for them:

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    Russian pop legend asks to be named a “foreign agent” in support of her husband

    From CNN's Darya Tarasova

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    Russian pop legend Alla Pugacheva looks on during a casting session for a musical television show on March 22, 2011 in Moscow, Russia. (Anton Belitsky/Epsilon/Getty Images)

    Russian pop legend Alla Pugacheva criticized the “illusory aims” of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in an Instagram post Sunday.

    Writing in support of her husband Maxim Galkin, who was recently designated a “foreign agent” by Russia’s Justice Ministry, Pugacheva appealed to the ministry to label her as such, too.

    Pugacheva said Galkin is a “good real and incorruptible patriot of Russia” who wishes for “prosperity,” peace and “freedom of speech.” She added her husband wishes for an end to the death of Russian soldiers who are “dying for illusory aims that make our country a pariah.”

    Galkin, who is a comedian, was labeled a foreign agent Friday by Russian authorities.

    In an Instagram post the next day, Galkin commented on the label.

    “The rationale for this decision was that I allegedly received funds from Ukraine, funds for which I carried out political activities. Well, first of all, I'm not involved in politics. From the stage at my concerts, I am engaged in a humorous genre, political satire, and I have been doing this for 28 years,” Galkin said.

    Galkin and Pugacheva, who have two children together, left Russia for Israel in March, according to multiple Russian and Israeli media reports. According to a social media post from a Russian fashion designer, Pugacheva returned to Russia in August. It is not clear where she is now or where their family permanently resides.

    Galkin has been an outspoken critic on social media of what Russia calls it “special military operation” in Ukraine.

    In early September, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Galkin had made “very bad statements” about Russia and that he is “clearly not on the same path as us,” according to Russian state media.

    Peskov said at the time that he had not heard a single anti-Russian statement from Galkin’s wife Pugacheva and noted that Russian President Vladimir Putin and the singer are “familiar and have met more than once.”

    Pugacheva — up until her Instagram post on Sunday — has largely remained silent on Russia’s war in Ukraine.​

    Live updates: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-09-18-22/index.html
     
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    Good for her! And I mean that sincerely. Hopefully she is the first of many.

    Examining Russian sentiment here I don't think Russians understand how odd it appears to Americans and I'm certain other free nations of the world. I mean come on! "Very bad statements" and "clearly not on the same path as us" just rings so antithetical to the principles of freedom. Yet to the Russian people it seems completely acceptable. How can a nation change its path if no one is allowed to SPEAK in a manner which contradicts "the same path". By "same path" what they mean is "Putin's path". The whole mentality contradicts freedom and liberty, yet Russians just accept it as though totalitarianism is their comfort zone, and any form of liberty or freedom of speech is so abnormal they can't seem to conceive of it as a possibility.
     
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    If NATO wasnt a threat to Russia, NATO would've either dissolved when the Soviet Union collapsed or NATO would've allowed Russia to join it (Russia tried but was refused) shortly thereafter.
     
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    Russia has a culture of brutality and slave like thinking. Communism destroyed what little moral thinking existed in Russian culture and now it is **** everyone else, I want mine. This means superiors constant abuse and steal from subordinate, everyone steals what ever they possibly can because everyone else is doing it, and violence is how you enforce your will on other people. Education is also extremely poor as good quality mass education collapsed around 1985 in the USSR and modern Russia never bothered to fix it.

    Sure, if you are wealthy enough you can buy a good quality private education, but most Russians are poor, even in the few big cities. Our local Russian propaganda trolls work 40 hours per week spamming lies and disinformation yet only get $6.25 per hour before taxes and fees. Believe it or not that is considered a good wage for average Russians even in big cities like Saint Petersburg or Moscow. Just look at how military training is done and you will get a window into orc culture, how it is devoid of morality, full of brutality, and everyone is try to steal and backstab each other. Is it any wonder they are incompetent on the battlefield and lack even the most basic of equipment?

     
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    I finally LEFT RUSSIA (and was interrogated at the border :) What's next?


    Finally I left Russia for another country! Which one? You will know from the video. I was also asked by the Russian guards in the airport, which was the warmest farewell ever! Thank you so much for following my journey. Stay tuned for my next videos!​
     
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    Thank you for this post. I highly recommend subscribing to this YouTube channel. I hope she continues to post more.
     
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    Russia never applied for admission to NATO. They floated the idea and said they might consider joining if certain alterations were made to accommodate Russia and they didn't want to go through the admissions process. They were told they would have to apply and fulfill all the obligations all NATO member nations must go through. They decided not to apply. A few years later they did enter into agreements which were seen as a promising step towards that goal. In time, relations deteriorated due to the actions of Putin. So, the promise never panned out.
     
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    You are correct that Russian people seem to hate liberty and hate self rule. Katherine the “great” was German or French I believe and Stalin was Georgian. Some czars spoke French not Russian. It does appear that the psyche of Russians is “ oh beat us , whip us please send us to SIBERIA”.
     
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    They wanted NATO only if NATO would let them invade other NATO and non NATO countries and have NATO help them invade other countries.
     
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    My dad said that it would take a generation or two to take the Soviet out of Ukrainians. He did say the Western Ukraine would become human in a few years the East where Soviet infestation was deeper 2-3 generations.
     
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    You need to read more on Russian history and all the times Russia has been invaded. That doesn't excuse it, but it IS part of their collective psychology.
     
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    Tsar Nicholas II and George V were in fact cousins.
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    So Nicky Two was the last Czar as I recall! The royal families of Europe were intermarried and interbred like dogs. Still the Bolsheviks did a monstrous thing to the Czarist family. The Bolsheviks obviously acted like Putinists or Putin is acting like Bolshevik’s. Hey scum is scum what can I say.
     
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    Their other cousin was Kaiser Wilhelm in Germany.
     
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    But now they behave like psychopaths, harming and killing others without provocation to help themselves.
     
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    There has been significant resistance over the centuries.
    Slaughtered.
     
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    That I knew about the Kaiser.
     
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    You boys a little late to the party. I've known about this little drama queen lesbian for quite some time,,,well over a year. She's always posting "I'm a victim" bullshit.....it's her Youtube grift....and in this video claims Russians can't travel anywhere (or afford it) but yet this 20 something year old has been to the US several years ago (notice how she didn't stay) and now she's going to Tbilisi via Baku. Here's a tip, don't be a bitch to border control if they ask why you are going to Baku.....while they are in an active war (now in a cease fire) with Armenia...who has a security agreement with Russia.

    NATO now exists to create wars to line the pockets of the M.I.C. and the politicians who receive kickbacks from them.
     
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    Showing how degenerate and evil Putin's regime is to its own soldiers and their families the Russian government routinely abandons the bodies of its dead soldiers, simply lists them as missing, and then refuses to pay death payments to families of KIA soldiers. Russia steals or refuses to pay wages or promised bonuses to soldiers then when soldiers are killed in combat Russia refuses to repatriate bodies and refuses to pay death payments to families.

    Why fight for such thieving bastards who just don't care about their own people?

     
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    You've got to remember that Russia has always had authoritarian leaders. The Russian monarchy was the most brutal in Europe. The Bolsheviks then turned up and gave the worst dictators in history a run for their money.

    After that Yeltzin appeared, fully backed by a foreign power. Then Putin emerged.

    Think of the Russians like a person who was seriously abused as a child and is now perpetuating that abuse on the next generation.
     
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    My main issue with most of the pro-Russia/Putin voices in this forum/in the US is that they seem aligned with the most obnoxious and counter-factual elements in American politics. My problem with most of the anti-Russian voices is that they act as recruits for the Empire's propaganda machine!
     
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    No clue of what you're talking about or what's going on and why, other than what MSM tells you, that creates your perspective, hey?
     
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    Here...timey.....learn something....or "open your eyes":)




     
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