The white supremacist idea of ancient and noble europe is a myth

You'll see it all the time from racists, reactionaries, and nazi-sympathizers. They'll tell you that Europe has always been at the forefront of civilization. They'll ask what Africa, Asia, and the Middle East have ever accomplished. They'll try to present the current dominance of Europe as evidence of racial superiority.

But up until roughly ~1500, Europe was filthy and backward to the extent that we lacked the basic public sanitation known to some ancient American civilizations over 1000 years BCE. Human waste littered the streets of cities and the continent was constantly involved in bloody wars, whereas the Muslim world was technologically advanced, modern, and relatively progressive.

Basic knowledge of history reveals that the geopolitical situation of various parts of the world has little to do with race and everything to do with economics.

 

Europe did suck after the fall of the Roman Empire, and before the Age of Enlightenment . But, with the exception of Asian culture, the Middle East and Africa, flatlined along time ago.

Which is a shame, because allot of human ingenuity came out of the Middle East at one point in time.

 

Sanitation in ancient Rome was a complex system similar in many ways to modern sanitation systems. During the Dark Ages, the technical knowledge of the Roman system was lost and has subsequently been investigated by modern-era historians and archeologists.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitation_in_ancient_Rome

Just so you know.

 

The ancient Greek civilization of Crete, known as the Minoan civilization, was the first civilization to use underground clay pipes for sanitation and water supply.[5] Their capital, Knossos, had a well-organized water system for bringing in clean water, taking out waste water and storm sewage canals for overflow when there was heavy rain. It was also one of the first uses of a flush toilet, dating back to 18th century BC.[6] In addition to sophisticated water and sewer systems they devised elaborate heating systems. The Ancient Greeks of Athens and Asia Minor also used an indoor plumbing system, used for pressurized showers.[7] The Greek inventor Heron used pressurized piping for fire fighting purposes in the City of Alexandria.[8] The Mayans were the third earliest civilization to have employed a system of indoor plumbing using pressurized water.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_water_supply_and_sanitation

 

The middle east hasn't done anything since the pyramids.....the other third world hell holes have done nothing but produce poverty.

 

Because the invention of algebra, the baghdad batteries, all of their advances in astronomy, etc. were nothing.


You don't know what you're talking about.

 

Europe has always been at the forefront of western civilization, but it did fall behind after the collapse of the Roman Empire.

Medieval Europe was not nearly as bad as it is portrayed. Human waste was not dumped in the streets. Public baths were few and far between, but they still existed in some areas. Plumbing existed throughout Europe, but it was generally limited to palaces and monasteries. People did bathe, albeit rarely. Personal hygiene was not particularly good, but even peasants tried to maintain some level of cleanliness.

 

Obviously Europe was backwards in comparison w/ Greek, Jewish, and Persian culture until well into the 2nd millennium . The Brits were worshiping trees and the Scandis were 'berserkers.' The Greeks and Jews were laying the foundations of Western Civilization. Even the Arabs were busily inventing algebra and the astrolabe.

That all changed starting around the 14 century. Leibniz in Germany and Newton in GB independently created calculus. The flowering of modernity was really hand in hand with the spread of Christianity. As an atheist it pains me to admit this, but it is historical fact.

 

Easy to trash whites and their accomplishments while you live in a prosperous, predominantly white country.

 

All of humanity has contributed in part, to this wonderful world that we live in. It just so happens that Europe took the height of political ascension, which in turn paved the way for the stability(which is what's really needed for development.). The greatest and most important difference is the lack of stability in Africa, the Middle East and even some lower Asian areas. These differences are no different from an individual standpoint either.

The individuals who make the most money, aren't the ones stealing from the economy or not making a difference. From the contrary, they're so productive that many, many scores of people are beneficiaries of their actions(think: Microsoft.). In fact, without these productive individuals(and without the productive countries), mankind's evolution would have halted significantly.

For the sake of the developing world to come, the U.S must remain World Super Power. It is inconceivable in my political theory or in world history for the stable of the world to dissipate. The U.S must expand and become mightier and in turn, empower the entire Western Hemisphere.

 

True! Back in those times, living conditions were deplorable.

 

Feel free to (*)(*)(*)(*) off elsewhere

The dark ages weren't that dark

[video=youtube;Cqzq01i2O3U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqzq01i2O3U[/video]

quite the achievements given they were under constant attacks from Islamic invaders,

[video=youtube;t_Qpy0mXg8Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y[/video]

 

This was due to the fall of Rome and the loss of classical culture; the ancient Greeks and Romans were very culturally advanced.

 

Who invented Algebra?

 

Beside, what he transcribe was more about written mathematical problem than what we know today as algebra. Is "version" didn't use variable and other staple of algebraic notation. We owe the algebraic notation and modern use to an Italian monk. I have his name in one of my math text book and may post it later.

 

The point being that algebra is not an invention with a single inventor. Mathematics is a science with many contributors. Claiming one group or another invented algebra is like claiming Newton invented physics, or Anaximander invented astronomy.

 

Europe was a cove of barbarians before being (relatively) civilized by the romans.

 

Most white supremacist ideas are myths and lies.

 

I'm not a white supremacist. I'm just someone who realizes how easy it would be for someone like you to live in the most prosperous country in the world, that was built by whites primarily, and trash whites and their accomplishments. You're just employing critical theory, a Marxist strategy. It's why being a socialist is easy in a country like this one. Go try being a socialist in Cuba. See what happens.

 

In Medieval times peasants were cleaner than nobility, as they frequently bathed in summer, while many nobles lived in drafty and uninsulated stone structures where bathing would almost guarantee at least a chill even on the hottest days

Worst times were actually 1600's, European culture had gotten the idea that bathing was unhealthy and a burgeoning population was overcrowding everywhere and still had no sewers. Europeans in cities were possibly the filthiest people that have ever existed as they, in effect, worked at being so.

 

I disagree with him on them being useless throughout history - as you say, they have provided us with many useful things. Unfortunately, the Middle East is a complete (*)(*)(*)(*)hole at the moment with only a few exceptions. A lot of that traces to Western intervention from 1900 to today, but a fair chunk of it is their fault. They're not leaders in science and mathematics anymore, with a few exceptions.

 

I think most people, even white supremacists, were already aware of this. Most people have some basic idea of the civilized roman empire being conquered by barbarians.

 

Some believe the Mongol invasion by Ghengis Khan is what's responsible for the backwardness of the modern Middle East.

 

I'm amazed no one has mentioned the "British Empire", which IMO was the foundation for the modern day civilization.

http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-cont...itish_empire_map_by_duke_nidhoggr-d77phii.jpg


I would suggest, descendents from that empire, that brought law and order, along with commerce and basic human rights, into the picture and settled the so called "New World", following in part the Magna Carta and a couple hundred years of colonial cooperation, devised the one Nation that help mankind to increase from one to now eight billion people, worldwide.....

 

I agree that there is certainly a mythological aspect to the Euro-centric narrative pushed by white supremacists, but I don't subscribe to the "dark ages" description of Europe in the aftermath of western Rome. To me, this is just another pro-centralist historical narrative that tries to conflate the Roman's highly centralized, highly bureaucratized empire with "civilization", while disparaging the relatively decentralized tribal and agrarian societies that stood in contradistinction to the western Roman empire during and after its existence. Certainly, European cities in these times had some significant issues with sanitation, but that is not representative of what the broader European experience was like during the so-called "dark ages". Outside of cities, in the countrysides, life was largely characterized by a peaceful, albeit slow and repetitive, agrarian mode of subsistence and rudimentary trade. Family, community, religion, and farming were the pillars of the average person's existence. But nobody really concentrates or talks about that because it doesn't fit into the "Rome good" and "Germans bad" historical narrative concocted by Rome-a-phile historians.