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The whole of the Earth heated up in medieval times without human CO2 emissions, says

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  1. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    The same could be said about Sinclair
     
    ptif219, Mar 30, 2012
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    bugalugs Banned

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    WTF is SInclair?


    You were asked a question:
    Why can't you answer it?
     
    bugalugs, Mar 30, 2012
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    wyly Well-Known Member

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    wow, you really don't have a clue do you...




    surprise! there's farming in Greenland today:laughing:

    [​IMG]
     
    wyly, Mar 30, 2012
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  4. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Sinclair has the blog that claims the scientists says he was misrepresented. If you do not know what is going on your comments mean nothing
     
    ptif219, Mar 30, 2012
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    ptif219, Mar 30, 2012
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    wyly Well-Known Member

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    :roll: nada...:smile:
     
    wyly, Mar 31, 2012
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    bugalugs Banned

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    You have been shown multiple times that the scientist himself made a statement of his misrepresentation on his University's website

    Here it is again so you don't try to deny it:
    Zunli Lu:
    “It is unfortunate that my research, “An ikaite record of late Holocene climate at the Antarctic Peninsula,” recently published in Earth and Planetary Science Letters, has been misrepresented by a number of media outlets.

    Several of these media articles assert that our study claims the entire Earth heated up during medieval times without human CO2 emissions. We clearly state in our paper that we studied one site at the Antarctic Peninsula. The results should not be extrapolated to make assumptions about climate conditions across the entire globe. Other statements, such as the study “throws doubt on orthodoxies around global warming,” completely misrepresent our conclusions. Our study does not question the well-established anthropogenic warming trend.”



    http://asnews.syr.edu/newsevents_2012/releases/ikaite_crystals_climate_STATEMENT.html


    Now - you were asked a question:
    Quote:
    Why can't you answer it?
     
    bugalugs, Mar 31, 2012
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    wyly Well-Known Member

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    I'm thinking you'll be waiting a long time for that answer...
     
    wyly, Mar 31, 2012
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    This sounds like you accept the fact that the Daily Mail has been deceptive. I'll take that as a half-bunned admission of guilt.

    Now please point out where Sinclair has been deceptive about anything.
     
    Poor Debater, Mar 31, 2012
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Another words to report the truth. The study shows what GW has denied. He is trying to deny it shows the warming was wide spread as his report shows.

    Nothing was misrepresented

    I do not cling to a lie you cling to a scientist back tracking and denying what his report says
     
    ptif219, Mar 31, 2012
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    He is full of deception. Look at his videos. He is a GW propagandist. He gave no specifics as to how the daily mail was wrong just general denial and saying it would be addressed later.
     
    ptif219, Mar 31, 2012
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    You're wrong: clearly you didn't read his latest, which I have already linked to. He gave a full quote from Dr. Lu:

    What about that isn't specific enough for you?
     
    Poor Debater, Mar 31, 2012
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    What is misrepresented? This is more generalization to avoid admitting the reporters are right

    So you show more propaganda from Sinclair who is not credible.
     
    ptif219, Mar 31, 2012
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    Are you taking the (*)(*)(*)(*)?

    How many times have to been shown the scientists exact words?

    His report was misrepresented.

    His report showed warming at one site on the Antarctic Peninsula
    We clearly state in our paper that we studied one site at the Antarctic Peninsula.

    The Daily Mail claimed this applied to the whole planet:
    The results should not be extrapolated to make assumptions about climate conditions across the entire globe

    the Daily Mail said his conclusions "throw doubt on orthodoxies around global warming"
    Other statements, such as the study “throws doubt on orthodoxies around global warming,” completely misrepresent our conclusions. Our study does not question the well-established anthropogenic warming trend.

    How long do you intend to keep this nonsense up?
     
    bugalugs, Mar 31, 2012
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    His report shows AGW has been wrong and now the GW community want to spin it to say it should be not seen for what it is.

    Truth is warming occurred then as it is now. warming is natural.

    GW propagandists are being seen for the eliteists arrogant hacks they are.

    now anyone that denies AGW is a mental case. More proof GW is a scam

    http://www.infowars.com/climate-change-skepticism-a-sickness-that-must-be-treated-says-professor/
     
    ptif219, Mar 31, 2012
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    Since you apparently can't read, I'll spell it out for you. Sound out the letters one at a time:

    1. The Daily Mail said, "The whole of the Earth heated up in medieval times". Dr. Lu's paper only looked at a single site in Antarctica, not the whole Earth. MISREPRESENTATION!

    2. The Daily Mail said, "Current theories of the causes and impact of global warming have been thrown into question" by Lu's research. Dr. Lu says such statements "completely misrepresent our conclusions". GROSS MISREPRESENTATION!

    3. The Daily Mail said, "At present the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) argues that the Medieval Warm Period was confined to Europe." The IPCC says nothing of the sort. In fact, IPCC AR4 says the MWP covers at least the entire northern hemisphere: "The evidence currently available indicates that NH mean temperatures during medieval times (950–1100) were indeed warm in a 2-kyr context". GROSS MISREPRESENTATION!

    And you still have not shown a single instance of Sinclair misrepresenting anything.

    As usual, deniers have ZERO evidence for ANYTHING they say. No wonder nobody believes you.
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Yet Lu does not specify what is misrepresented. As always accusations but no specifics or corrections.

    The report shows past data was wrong and warming was more wide spread. This is what the daily mail says so how is that a misrepresentation?
     
    ptif219, Mar 31, 2012
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    YES HE DOES. Lu's research was confined to one specific site in Antarctica. The Daily Mail falsely said it covered the entire globe. How much more specific can you get?

    Liar. It certainly does not. What past data was wrong? Citation, please, author, journal, article, for data shown to be wrong by Lu's research.

    One of these days, I have hopes for simple honesty from the denier brigade. Not only do you guys lie through your teeth on a daily basis, you don't even care that you do. You have no regard for the truth whatsoever.
     
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    It clearly show wide spread if it happened in Antarctica. That is far from the GW community saying it was only Europe.

    The GW community is once again caught in lies and trying to justify it.
     
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    Liar. Who in the GW community says it was only Europe? Citation: journal, author, date.

    Oh wait ... you didn't think the Daily Mail reported that accurately, did you?
     
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    From the OP


    Then there is this

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/medieval-warm-period-intermediate.htm


     
    ptif219, Apr 1, 2012
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    It is shown that it was a global warming event and you continue to foolishly deny it.

    Global warming happened centuries ago. It is natural
     
    ptif219, Apr 1, 2012
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    possum wonderin'...

    ... if dat's where 'hot tamale' comes from?
    :?
     
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    Lying again, ptif? I didn't deny it at all. I merely pointed out that the Lu study wasn't global, and that the Daily Mail lied when they said it was.

    Forest fires happened centuries ago. Does that mean man cannot cause forest fires?
    Death happened centuries ago. Does that mean man cannot cause death?
    Flight happened centuries ago. Does that mean man cannot fly?

    The illogic of the deniers is astounding.
     
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