There hasn't been 74 school shootings since Sandy Hook

For some reason one our members posted an outrageous thread claiming that there have been 74 mass shootings since Sandy Hook. Why is it outrageous? Aside from the fact that his link didn't name any of the school's names and only had the Huffington Post's word to take on it, nobody bothered to fact check it at the time of its printing. Now only a day later some of those facts are coming out.

Everytown, a gun control group that is currently funded by Michael Bloomberg(a strong advocate of gun control)released a map where school shootings have taken place since Newton. However what they didn't tell people were they counted shootings that took place outside of school and nearby. Some were accidental and possibly at least one self-defense. However this didn't stop them from using these incidents to pad their statistics.

If their claims of 74 incidents were true then that would average to about 4 school shootings a month. As a people we can become numb to unpleasant circumstances but we have yet to lose any outrage of a single shooting. Had 4 a month taken place then our news channels would be bombarding us with these events virtually non-stop. And we would not ignore a single one. This hasn't been the case though.

Why then were we mislead? I think about it like this, if the NRA were to put out a chart of guns preventing violent crimes then gun activists would surely suspect something. They would consider a possible agenda before finalizing a judgment. This is the polar reverse. We had a pro gun control group release data that didn't feel right from the start and fell apart as soon as someone took a look at it. And what's worse, several media groups ran along with it without even verifying the facts.

In the end though if you have to resort to lies and deceit to get your point across it begs the question of whether it's a valid point to begin with. Any issue worth taking a stand against or with will have its own merits to back up those convictions. If however, you have to manipulate the data to fit your desired results then maybe you shouldn't be bothering with such things at all. Just food for thought.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/11/school-shooting-claims-debunked/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...america-since-sandy-hook-heres-what-he-found/

 

WOW! Accidental GUN DISCHARGES at a school IS NOT a problem? Or GUN DISCHARGES near a school?? So if some jackass fires a gun whose bullet can reach a school building, playground, kids waiting for their bus, the teacher's parking lot or the maintenance shed, it SHOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED a 'school shooting'??

What DISTANCE from a school would you say can't be REPORATABLE AS A SCHOOL SHOOTING??

 

Busted... and the answer to all of that is " no " .

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Busted... and the answer to all of that is " no " .

 

Most of it was GANG SHOOTINGS near a school AFTER HOURS. Care to comment?

 

Let me ask you this, if someone robs a house that lives near a bank does that mean the bank has been robbed too?

 

Does someone wanna explain these symbols of SELF CONGRATULATION on each of this poster's posts? I thought one waited to be congratulated by others! And has anyone ever posted "well that just shows you..." on a post?

AND it sucks up board space.

 

Was there 73?

 

speaking of sucking up board space

 

What's sad is that if you google '74 school shootings since sandy hook', you'll find more sources supporting the claim than debunking it.

The hoplophobes certainly do not waste tragedy, nor care whether or not their argument is built upon a solid foundation or not.

 

Did they say School Mass Shootings or Mass Shootings, if the first they are wrong, if the second they are probably low in their count.

 

Even if it's not true, we're still the most violent nation on Earth that's in a state of peace. We still have more incidents of gun violence at our schools than anyone else. We have issues.

 

The Daily Caller and The Blaze are less than reputable sources for a credible rebuttal of anything.

 

You're free to find a source you do approve of.

 

Maybe but their's still no reason to lie about it.

 

The most violent nation on Earth?

We only need to look south at Mexico to see a more violent nation. They have about 1/3 the population with just under twice as many murders per year than the US.

Columbia with a population about 1/8 that of the US has more total murders.

Brazil has about four times as many murders each year with a much lower population.

I'm not sure what information you have drawn upon and what sort of reasoning you have applied to reach your most violent nation idea, but unless when you say "we're" you are referring to somewhere other than the United States, you are hopelessly wrong.

 

False.



Most other countries in the western hemisphere have a higher murder rate than the USA. Darker shades of blue mean a higher murder rate (Click on the picture to see the key).

 

That's because we've got a lot of people repeating garbage that they hear elsewhere.

If you look at the actual data and examine a few, you will see that the 74 figure is exaggerated. You'll also note that most of the college shootings occur at historically black colleges.

This is the source they are all quoting:
http://everytown.org/article/schoolshootings/

I decided to just google the first one. The first one happened to a man in a school parking lot after dropping his kid off for daycare. The police investigation thinks it was a deliberate targeted murder unrelated to the school.

35 of the 74 were at colleges/universities. Of those 35, 11 were at historically black colleges (several of them with more than one incident), 9 were community colleges.

 

Not really, most of South America is at peace, yet they have enormously high murder rates. Our murder rate is about 4.8 per 100k. Venezuela's is 54 per 100k (ten times as high, what a socialist paradise). Honduras is close to 90 per 100k. Columbia at about 31 per 100k. We are slackers compared.....

Heck, Greenland has a murder rate of 19.4 per 100k (or 4 times ours).

Do you people ever actually look at data? I thought it was us righties that were supposed to be ignorant of science.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

 

They are the source for the OP nonsense. As if the number of school shooting being "only" fifty or forty is somehow acceptable.

 

While the US is still the most violent of the OECD (prosperous) nations, the violence has been decreasing since the 70s -- except in the one country you mentioned.

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...six-facts-about-guns-violence-and-gun-control

 

CNN even had to correct the record on their reporting. It seems as though they used an anti second amendment group's data and found out it was contrived nonsense.

One anti gun group went so far as to report a false number of "kids" killed by gun violence. If a person was 40 years old or even older and had a parent still living, he or she was called a kid. If that same 40 year old kid was robbing a bank and was killed by a police officer, it was counted as a gun crime against a kid.

The fact is, violent crime has decreased quite a bit in the last 30 years. For some reason the left does not want to admit that.

 

I debunked that chart weeks ago.

You simply can not remove data that doesnt fit the agenda and then have an accurate chart. See the removal of Estonia and Mexico.

You cant say OECD countries in your claim and then decide which ones you like the data from. Estonia and Mexico are both OECD countries....

Also from the man himself

"Note that “assault” as a cause of death does not distinguish the mechanism of death (gunshot, stabbing, etc)."

http://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2012/07/20/america-is-a-violent-country/

http://kieranhealy.org/files/misc/assault-deaths-oecd-ts-all-2.png

Is the chart with those two countries added. That chart doesnt pull on the emotions like the other chart now does it.

 

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