'There have to be CONSEQUENCES:' Judge BOOSTS Jan 6 Rioter's SENTENCE

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  1. Andrew Jackson

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    There is a difference between a riot and an insurrection in attempt to alter a federal election. Those individuals should also be charged — what is your point?
     
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    Then you agree the Judge here is trying to apply legal sanction against him for something he did not do? Since when can a judge do that?
     
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    Are you claiming a failed memory?
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    The sentencing enhancement was because of her accusing convicting him of something for which he was never charged.
     
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    Prosecutors included in a sentencing memorandum numerous selfies Mazzocco took during the riot. “As if documenting a vacation,” prosecutors wrote, “he paused several times to photograph the growing crowd and the increasing chaos.” Prosecutors said that Mazzocco spent “about 12 minutes” inside the building but did not engage in violence or destruction of property.

    Explaining why she chose prison for Mazzocco, Chutkan said, “If Mr. Mazzocco walks away with probation and a slap on the wrist, that’s not going to deter anyone from trying to do what he did. Nor do I agree with the government that confining him to his home, where he can be with his family, is appropriate.”

    Do you know what this is? It's called political activism, but actually it's worse than that, let's just be honest with each other: This is political junta. It's the case of, and again by her OWN words, I'm not even twisting anything she literally stated that she seeks to make an example of a defendant of the State(mind you, a defendant again that didn't do any property damage or damage to individuals.)

    This is exceptionally dangerous to the rule of law and to the Republic. The constitution explicitly prohibits "cruel and unusual punishments". I would like to ask her if her view of collective punishment fits even REMOTELY within our Republic's laws, and not that of the Soviet Union.
     
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    The judge CANNOT, and DID NOT sentence Mazzocco for a different crime than he was charged with. Let me first mention, in case you didn't see, that my OP had included a mistake: the 8 months I originally listed as the sentence, which I thought I'd heard on MSNBC, I now believe was the maximum time that the judge COULD have imposed for the misdemeanor charge he pled to. Upon re-consultation of my linked article, however, the actual sentence had only been for 45 days in jail, which is a big difference.
     
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    Lolwut?:roflol:

    45 Days in Jail for a Misdemeanor?

    "Cruel and Unusual"?

    Not Even CLOSE.
     
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    he is being sentenced for what he was found guilty of
     
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    Unfortunately, that particular insurrectionist was shot and pronounced dead on Jan 6, not Jan 9 as you were supposed to be defending...

    Oopsie...
     
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    According to the judge's statement as I posted also for trying to overthrow the government, something for which he was not charged.
     
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    Thanks for wasting my time.........
     
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    I do no know why you do not realize that, "DETERENCE," has long been an element of penalties, in the justice system. I should add that the erroneous 8 months I stated as Mazzocco's sentence, I now am pretty confident, was the maximum that the judge could have imposed, based on his charges. The actual sentence was only for 45 days in jail.
    My bad. Sorry for the mistake.
     
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    I was only telling you what I believe to have been the judge's rationale, based on her quotes. In this instance, however, I don't think you can say the sum of all these trespassers, at once, did not constitute a much different thing than would have, as only so many, separate instances.
     
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    One cannot charge someone whose identity is unknown, of course. But, if it makes you feel any better, Bow to the Robots, most of the January 6th, rioting trespassers, will never be charged, or held by police, either.
     
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    Thanks for actually answering the question I posed, in the OP! Of course, holding the instigators to account is very important, even more so than the foot-soldiers. That is what the House Committee, investigating this, will hopefully lead to. I also assume that the Justice Department is looking into it. The slowness of these processes is disappointing, but unavoidable. Our impatience, I think, comes largely from these instigators continuing their rabble rousing, with new ones, even, joining in.
     
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    This post explains what happened.
     
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    Thanks for the correction; I'd previously found this out from another poster, and I've been mentioning it in all my replies. I also made a general announcement, as part of my reply to the first who corrected me (& expect to add another). I agree with you that 45 days, in this person's case, seems more appropriate than 8 months, which I now believe had been the maximum penalty allowed for Mazzocco's misdemeanor conviction.

    Sorry for the misleading info.
     
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    " I'm guessing that perhaps, 8 months had been the maximum allowable sentence, based on the charge."

    Well..Actually, NOT...

    The Max Sentence on that charge is a Year in Jail.

    And federal law caps sentences for misdemeanors such as disorderly conduct and protesting in the Capitol between six months and a year, which means first-time offenders who cut a deal could argue for no prison time at all.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/capitol-insurrection-jail-time-jan-6-cases
     
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    Yes, there is. However, both are criminal acts, One will be prosecuted, the other largely will not.

    My point should be obvious. You agree the looters should be charged. But the vast majority will not.
     
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    When you are arrested during a riot, there is a very good chance your identity will be known, of course.

    Those who have been identified -- like the guy in the wookie suit -- are already in federal prison... where they belong.
     
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    So, who’s charged with the murder of the Policeman and who was the policeman?
     
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    Guys this has gone way out of hand. The judge did not make a separate finding that any sentencing enhancement requires. She sentenced within the sentencing guidelines for the single federal misdemeanor charge that the DA's office brought and on which he plead. This is not that nefarious . The prosecutor also makes a recommendation at any sentencing hearing, often after negotiation with defense counsel. This prosecutor recommended a lighter sentence, than the judge felt the circumstances in total warranted. She is perfectly within her discretion to either take that sentence recommendation, or ditch it. She is within her discretion to up it or shrink it and it does not require that she 'convict' him of something he was not charged with. That did not happen Its 45 days and 500 dollars instead of house arrest and probation and 500 dollars. Its a month and half in the clinker and that was within the statutory maximum.
     
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    they were there to stop the certification of the election to keep Biden from becoming President
     
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    I would say whoever the people were in front that could see he was getting crushed alive and kept going anyway. That would be the logical approach
     

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