They hunted and killed a baby elephant!

Discussion in 'Firearms and Hunting' started by truth and justice, Jan 19, 2019.

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    Only if it was a facility processing animals indigenous to the continent of Africa. Some animals are more equal than others is a fine leftist principle handily applied to government/politics as well as animal rights! :)
     
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    Asinine strawman duly noted and ignored for obvious reasons.
     
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    Use of analogy is not a strawman. If analogy is to be ignored why aren’t you ignoring the abortion analogy? You seem to have no problem invoking it.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Wrong again!

    I never invoked abortion!

    Next time you want to make a baseless allegation I recommend that you check the thread first so as to avoid embarrassing yourself!
     
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    You were not the first to bring it up in the thread but you have been debating it and using the analogy to your advantage when opportunity arises. I’m not sure how pointing that out is an “allegation” baseless or otherwise.
     
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    More lies from the hunting community ^^^

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0121471

    Effects of Trophy Hunting Leftovers on the Ranging Behaviour of Large Carnivores: A Case Study on Spotted Hyenas
    Fig 2
    Camera trap pictures taken two (left) and 59 (right) days after elephant death.

    After two days the soft tissues around the belly have been accessed and after 59 days only the spine, the tusks and pieces of dry skin are left behind (note the lying branch for spatial reference). Dates are given in mm/dd/yy.

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    ^^Hiding evidence to fool the public that hunted animals are taken away to be eaten

    ^^More info showing that hunted animals are not eaten
     
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    More info on this event:
    https://nypost.com/2019/01/22/hunter-threatened-for-posing-with-dead-elephant-he-shot/
    Typical of hunters to exaggerate their "bravery". No doubt he went home and told his admirers that two fully grown elephants charged him and he bravely got his gun out and shot those huge beasts. - Jines is probably a relative of yasureoktoo as he is clearly gullible enough to believe it, after all, he believes pygmies walked through a door cutout into an elephant carcass !
     
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    I find it extremely sad that some of us seem to think we can somehow elevate ourselves by killing something.
     
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    So we're better than "primitives" because we worship a giant sky fairy rather than the spirits of great animals that share the Earth with us?
     
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    At least it was quick; the indigenous elephant killers hack off the poor beasts' faces to get at the ivory. Imagine having your face hacked off with a machete? It probably takes about half an hour of unimaginable pain until they succumb.
     
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    Still does not alter the FACT that YOU invoked an asinine strawman that has NO RELEVANCE whatsoever and that you embarrassed yourself by making a baseless allegation.
     
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    Mistaken identity duly noted.
     
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    They (wildlife managers) raise them and sell hunting safari's which are very profitable, in turn the money raised is used for breeding and raising more elephants. As a result they have a surplus of animals to be hunted and a sustainable animal population.

    The rest of us unloaded, followed by the tracker they only ever called the Old Man, another tracker in training, and one more San, who was acting as a “game guard” to make sure the hunt was conducted in accordance with the conservancy’s rules and quotas. Last to emerge in that swelter was the client himself, an American businessman, who opened the passenger door and reached up to the rack for his gun, a 12-pound, bespoke .470 Nitro Express double rifle. These guns, costing up to $200,000, are favored for big-game trophy hunting because of their stopping power, and this is what he was here for, of course—a trophy. Two of them, actually. An avid hunter whose adventures had led him to Central Asia to shoot Marco Polo sheep at 15,000 feet and to Africa to shoot a leopard, he was now back in Africa for elephants.

    According to Marnewecke, the going rate for a 14-day, single elephant hunt is about $80,000. The trophy hunt limit of five elephants a year in Nyae Nyae represents real money to the San. A portion of the fee is paid directly to community members and to a fund for conservation projects to protect the area’s wildlife. As for the elephant trophies themselves, the client would take the tusks home, while the meat would all go to the San.

    Unlike some countries where harvesting elephants is illegal and they are simply poached with no payments to the wildlife managers.
     
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    Yes, it is almost macabre to think some of us are able to elicit an emotional response for a tiny handful of animals while devouring the flesh of millions of others without any feeling at all.
     
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    308 is a good deer cartridge, but too small for anything bigger.
    It will kill them, but seldom a clean kill.
     
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    I guess we all have to figure that out on our own. Again it isn’t so much what one believes as the consistency of those beliefs. If we are going to worship animal spirits (I’m not even sure what that is) it seems we should have respect for all of them, not just ones from across the ocean. Does that make them more “mystical” or something?
     
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    I’m not at all embarrassed by the fact my analogy made yours look foolish. And how exactly is caliber irrelevant to a hunting thread? Just because you prefer saline solution preemptive strikes on problem animals as opposed to using propellant and projectiles later doesn’t make my argument asinine. I think you may be starting to get emotional and are bordering on personal attack...
     
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    :roflol:

    Ironic PROJECTION duly noted and ignored for derogatory reasons!
     
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    I do appreciate a sense of humor. As long as we are both enjoying ourselves I guess the lack of substance in your recent replies is of no consequence.
     
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    Just can't seem to stop your ironic projecting, can you?
     
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    Personal attack and absence of a legitimate response in an ongoing discussion duly noted, as well as reported.
     
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    Because, ironically, it's the best way to keep elephant populations up. Without legal hunting, an elephant is a pest to the local villagers. They don't mind if poachers kill them, as elephants can destroy crops fairly quickly. With legal hunting, an elephant is a money source. The villagers will stop the poachers, as they don't get anything out of it.
     
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    The only place elephant (and rhino) populations are rebounding are the countries that allow hunting for them. Why? Hunting makes elephants worth something to the people. Without the trophy hunting, elephants are only worth money for their ivory (which is not nearly as much as how much trophy hunters pay).

    That said, it's foolish to shoot young elephants.
     
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    Well, the vital part of the elephant (generally the brain) is fairly small, and has to be hit by a fairly powerful gun. This is fairly hard to do. Mice and rats are pretty easy to kill. I used to shoot field mice with a pellet gun. It's not that challenging.
     
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    Not sure about giraffes (haven't read about giraffe hunting), but the vital area of an elephant is fairly small. You have to get within about 25 yards of an elephant in order to kill it, and elephants are pretty smart and live in small groups. Shooting mice or rats is easy. They are pretty stupid.
     

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