This Is Unjust!" Female Boxer Quits Olympic Match, Melts Down In Tears After 'Biological Male' Bruta

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    ? It's already happened that persons with XY chromosomes have given birth
     
  2. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    I also spoke about chromosomes in that post that you conveniently left out because it didn’t fit your narrative
     
  3. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you were talking about surgeries being allowed or not in that part, this person doesn't want or need a surgery

    "And if a persons genitalia is a penis they are a man, if a person’s genitalia is a vagina they are a woman"

    so the above is not true?
     
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  4. Joe knows

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    It still holds true because the only way a surgical change should be allowed is if there is a variance in chromosomes. Which would still make the genital area scientifically correct.

    chromosomes are the ultimate tell all. This person has never been a woman.
     
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  5. FreshAir

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    she has never asked for nor wanted surgery, she wants what she was born with, a vagina, so is she a woman?

    if XY doesn't always control the parts, it may not control attraction either, or other things
     
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  6. Injeun

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    I think it was a year or two ago that he underwent a genetic blood test which showed he had the XY chromosome(male), and was disqualified from competition in a women's boxing match. But the Olympics used some squirrely logic to allow his participation.
     
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    How do you know what parts he has and if it was born or surgical
     
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    Doctors state that "women" can have xy chromosomes.
     
  9. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why are you asking me if it is possible for a man to give birth ? are you looking for the latest medical technology that does not yet exist .. I am sure we will get there someday .. but do not think we are there yet. ?

    What does any of this in vetro fertilization rabbit hole have to do with the having of an XY - Chromosome friend ?
     
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    "Females" can have xy also.
     
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    There are Quacks in every profession saying all kinds of things .. friend . aside the "appeal to authority fallacy"

    The definition of man .. = xy chromosome -- if the human has these .. then that human is a man .. by definition. So no .. according to the definition in use by women's world championship body .. the person that Quack Doctor is stating is a woman .. is actually a man Esau .. by the definition in use. .

    You want to use some new definition made up on the spot by quack doctor .. that is fine .. However, by this definition .. She .. is a He..
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No .. females can not have xy .. according to the definition of Female used by world championship sports body. ..
     
  13. Esau

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    Yet here you are appealing to a " boxing" authority on the subject.

    Cases like this, where these rare individuals are actually both sexes should be treated sensitively.
     
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    There are quacks in combat sport.
     
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    This woman is a rare genuine case of mixed sexes.
     
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    No .. you do not understand appeal to authority fallacy .. I gave you the reason why the definition is true .. and the reason is not because the Sport Body said so .. which would be appeal to authority fallacy .. I did not even claim the definition is the correct one in fact .. although .. I did give "Support" for that claim .. which is what distinguishes between what is fallacy and what is not .. what is an argument .. and what is not.

    Do u understand ? .. If you wish to debate the validity of the definition .. that is fine .. and your position will get crushed into quackery .. as usual. As for now .. your position is already crucified .. on the basis of strawman fallacy - as I never made the appeal to begin with.

    Had I been arguing that this is the correct definition .. .. the justification for XY -Chromosome definition for man .. in the context of sport .. is elevated testosterone levels "Steroids" on the basis of the having of the XY Chromosome .. and on the basics of simple genetics .. regardless of whether some sport body uses that definition. Genetically Male .. Genetically Female .. as per the definition of Biology .. how the subject matter domain defines a male cell verses a female cell.

    basic logic friend -- a male is a human organism made up of male cells. a female is a human organism made up of female cells.

    Now .. please provide the definition these quack doctors are using ... so we can all have a good laugh. You don't like the definition used by Sport .. don't like the one used by Biology (domain science) -- provide the definition you are using !! XXX
     
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    Your entire argument has been crushed by the fact she is both male and female. Game over .
     
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  18. truth and justice

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    Because people with XY chromosomes have given birth. Your contention is anyone with XY chromosomes is a man. So following your reasoning, men have given birth - past tense, not "someday"
     
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    Looks like gifty think men can have babies now

    :roflol:
     
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    Designating a man as a woman doesn't make him a woman. And in competition sports, having the xy chromosome is an unfair advantage over real women with the xx chromosome. It'd be like a man and a woman fighting against two women. Which team has the advantage in fisticuffs? He has a birth defect in his genitalia. That's all. That doesn't make him a bad person. But it doesn't make him a woman either, not in the classic sense. If the Olympics want to allow these people to compete, they should start a new category.
     
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    We all start off as female in-utero, and unless we have a functional SRY gene we will continue to develop and identify as female, given that a penis is just a modified clitoris with a small plumbing modification, and a scrotum is the fused labia with a visible fusion line, and the prostate is a modified uterus and why some men with Swyer Syndrome can carry a pregnancy even though they will be infertile.
     
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    the father let us know....
     
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    so when it comes to using a bathroom/locker rooms, the plumbing doesn't matter, it's the chromosomes
     
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    An unfertilized egg is not a female. It’s just an egg with an X chromosome. It can’t even be considered a human yet.
     
  25. truth and justice

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    A fertiized egg starts off as female which remains until the sixth or seventh week when differentiation starts
     

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