Thousands of children killed in accidental shootings.

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  1. JEFF9K

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    Another one of these. Just fer fun, let's dig out the number of children who were killed in the same time frame in auto collisions. Or we could look at drownings. Or ingestion of household chemicals.
    If you have a problem with freedom, get outta' MY country.
     
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    You think you have more of a claim on this country than I do?
     
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    How many were saved because someone had a gun to defend his family?

    How many died in accidental drownings in backyard swimming pools?
     
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    accidents happen and it truly does suck big time, people who own guns should be tried for their incompetence in these instances as they should carry the full blame for their childrens or other childrens deaths by the hand of their personal weapon.

    But according to left logic if my neighbor screws up i should be punished for it as well, which is wrong.

    so using that logic if one gang banger shoots his pistol at someone and either accidentally or intentionally kills an innocent, we should punish all gang bangers for the crime correct? oh wait no, they dont count because its only lawful gun owners whom you want to punish and otherwise make it harder for them to own a firearm.

    so what say you about drowning deaths in personal swimming pools, children choking to death because of small items they may find? You do realize accidental gun deaths are not even close to being one of the top causes of death for children correct? choking(5th overall) is much more of a problem as well as poisoning, which is 2nd overall in accidental deaths.

    Yeah lets talk about Poisoning, considering the great problem behind that is the use of illegal drugs, in which liberals really want to make legal. How about that for hypocrisy eh? you guys want illegal drugs, which kill thousands upon thousands more than guns total per year, yet you want that legal and guns illegal.....how in the hell does that make any sense? oh wait its liberal logic, which is why it doesnt make any damned sense what so ever.


    i dont know about you, but as your intentions may be good your follow through is full of fail on the subject simply because of liberal hypocrisy.
     
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    He's not the one trying to strip out one of the Bill of Rights.
     
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    In 2003, there were a total of 42,643 traffic fatalities in the United States. The 0-14
    age group accounted for 5 percent (2,136) of those traffic fatalities. In addition,
    children under 15 years old accounted for 4 percent (1,591) of all vehicle occupant
    fatalities, 9 percent (253,000) of all the people injured in motor vehicle crashes,
    and 8 percent (220,000) of all the vehicle occupants injured in crashes.

    http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/809762.pdf

    Cars are more dangerous to kids than guns are. What say you about this?
     
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    How many people come into houses to murder infants?? The number has got to be close to zero.
     
  9. Brewskier

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    Yes, because violent thugs and murderers have moral convictions that would prevent them from killing infants. They're good people, they're just poor and desperate, right Jeff?
     
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    Very nice to know that the gun argument still goes absolutely nowhere for people who are against them.

    Wonder how many years before control is tried again?
     
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    And the number one killer of kids in America is cars. Roughly 2000 children die each year in car accidents, but of course those liberals don't want to ban cars because they're owned by the car companies, making their profits off of the deaths of little children by the day. :roll:

    Dude, your post is pathetic.
     
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    I believe the numbers are -at best- half of that of children getting killed in gun accidents. http://news.yahoo.com/child-gun-deaths-accident-report-175046857.html

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2012/12/16/searching-for-hard-data-on-guns-and-violence/

    http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable.pdf

    And let's keep this in mind, the leading cause of gun deaths is suicide.
     
  13. AndrewEB

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    No, because it is -at best- very rare for thugs to kill the people they are robbing. It only happens when the robbery has basically gone wrong in terms of planning, as they only came to steal anything of value.

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    That your comparing apples and oranges? Cars are not designed to inflict bodily harm onto people, unlike guns.
     
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    What are you referring to? The number of children protected by guns, or the number of children killed in swimming pools? Your first source disagrees with you if you are referring to the latter. If the former, please quote the specific part that supports your argument.

    Which is another good reason why gun deaths are overstated.

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    People are killed all the time when "robberies go wrong". I'm not going to trust in the planning skills of thug robbers.
     
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    Each can be used as a weapon. Guns have other applications besides "bodily harm onto people". Most of the people I know who shoot guns have never shot a person! Can you believe that!
     
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    In other words no. you can't. While cars are not "designed that way" it does change the fact they are more dangerous to kids than guns are, regardless of design. If the true concern was about child safety then maybe the OP should have considered what really is harming our children than some pathetic attempt at attacking the 2nd ammendment. Thanks.
     
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    The definition of guns are weapons. Cars do not follow that same definition until you place weapons (commonly guns) onto them.

    Guns ain't toys, they're weapons.
     
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    Page 10 of the VCR report, the page that shows the graph of self-protective behaviours by type of crime from 2007-2011.

    Why is that may I ask?


    You seem to neglect the fact that robberies are committed about 85% of the time when there is no one on the property -i.e. a family- Most robbers are not stupid enough to rob a house while there are people in it.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_homicide

    I don't believe they had James Bond in mind when making this law.
     
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    Cars ain't toys, either. Both can be used as weapons. They each have non-weapon applications.

    Weapons aren't illegal, what's your point?
     
  21. Brewskier

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    Your source is biased.

    Here's a link to the study that President Obama ordered to study how often Americans use guns to defend themselves. I think he was expecting to get an answer favorable to his ideology, but he didn't, which is why he and his media never report on it.

    Here's some helpful commentary:


    Because someone who really wants to kill himself will, regardless of the object he chooses.

    And you know why that is? Because the robbers don't know if the people inside are armed. In Britain, where the robbers know that the people inside do not have guns, there are more robberies where the robber knows that somebody is home.

    http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Gun-Rights-Self-Defense-Deterrent.htm
     
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    Would you care more if 10s of millions died every couple of decades?

    It is sad though. Morons shouldn't have kids or guns.

    Wow. That is a dumb parent.
     
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    From someone who has been accused by you of using intellectual dishonesty and logical fallacies when I make comments you can not argue against. You serve up this softball? More like tee-ball you are going to compare less than a thousand accidental deaths with the death of over a million done on purpose? While I find abortion distasteful the constitution has been ruled by the supreme court to allow it till the fetus is viable. So I accept it, the same constitution and supreme court allow firearms to be owned. It does not take a rocket scientist to see the difference between 30 something thousand which includes suicide and justifiable homicides. Compared to over a million that most involve not wanting the fetus. I would say the hypocrisy is on those opposed to guns but ok with a million abortions.
     
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    Accidents, recklessness, and murder are regrettable those responsible should be held accountable.

    Suicides not so much if a womans privacy allows her to end the life of a fetus. All adults privacy should allow them to end their own life. To steal a abortion analogy since the OP compared the two. We would not want those poor people having to use coat-hangers to pick their brains out in a dark alley.
     
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    I seem to remember that you have to register a car and have a licence to drive it. I seem to remember that dangerous household chemicals are regulated and must carry warnings.

    HMMMMMMMMMM???
     

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