Toxic Masculinity

So, the past week or so have been a whirlwind for me. I've written about toxic masculinity before, but it hits closer to home now since it almost killed my dad.

Before I begin, because social conservatives struggle with this concept despite the simplicity, I'm not calling all masculinity toxic. Anyone who knows how adjectives work can grasp this, but this constantly goes over the heads of social conservatives. I have a feeling I will have to explain this again, but I want to at least make sure it makes it into the OP.

But there are definitely ways of looking at masculinity that are toxic. For example, this stress on stoicism that leads men to avoid healthcare -- to just "tough it out." That almost killed my dad recently. He has prostate cancer and almost died of renal failure when he refused to go to the hospital. He's far from the only one. Men tend to be more reluctant to seek medical care, both physical and psychiatric, leading to shorter lifespans based on this flawed view of what it means to be "manly."

I also mentor kids. Over and over and over again I see the boys idolize toxic idiots like Andrew Tate. They have a negative view toward women (to put it mildly) have a negative view toward education (to put it mildly) and have a view of masculinity that is better described as just outright psychopathy.

I miss the days when the right championed the idea of being a gentleman. That would be of tremendous help now. But those days are long gone.

 

What? What you talk about has nothing to do with masculinity. Many women don’t like to go to doctors.. this is stubborness and stupidity, no offense to your father.

What the left calls ‘toxic masculinity’ is a confident strong man who prefers his wife to stay home, take care of the children and cook. Many leftists will say ‘oh lord!’ But is there something wrong with this? Taking care of children is the most important job of any human being and cooking healthy meals is important, not to mention it’s cheaper than eating out and it also helps families bond around dinner table. If we had more families with a strong male as central figure, we would have less of the degrading culture we are seeing take flight

the left despises this as it’s ‘toxic’ and doesn’t care much about the nuclear family.. they wage war on the family.. religion. At this pace, men will become weaker, families weaker, we will have more atheists and transgender. How is this is a positive outcome in decades to come? Nothing wrong with transgender but the left today seem to be promoting it rather than just teaching others to tolerate it.

men are genetically designed to do the hard work, protect and instill right values to kids.. you attack them and make them weaker, remove them as central figure in families and it will be disastrous. Just look at inner cities for a preview… absent fathers and broken families have crushed culture in inner cities, all fueled by leftist policy.

 

It is also far, far more common among men and is directly linked to concepts of masculinity. Hence the post.

 

Is there something with NOT doing it?

 

ask someone who cares about your imaginary problem. does this paranoid belief that children are being castrated stem from your own toxic masculinity and a fear of de masculation?

 

It's just the wiring dude, I just escaped the healthcare system with a three day stay for an ABT laced IV drip. QoL issues and not being all that intrigued with QoL at 58, meh, I can sympathize with the why bother aspect of it. How much fun do you think life is for your Dad? My pops is 86 and is not having fun with life anymore. I'd just as soon take him to the lake and fire up a Smokey Joe in the cabin as to commit him to a nursing home.

 

to be fair, sometimes the medical system shortens peoples lives, much of our issues could be resolved by lowering the carbs, avoiding seed oils... and exercise

 

It was masculinity that won us our War of Independence. It was masculinity that won us our Civil War. It was masculinity that won us WW2. Don't knock it. It can come in handy at times.

 

Being a gentleman went out of favor when liberals started calling it toxic masculinity. Or sexism. Open the door for the wrong feminazi and you are a sexist.

 

I don't recall anyone calling being a gentleman "toxic masculinity." And no one with a basic respect for history would use the the ignorant phrase "feminazi"

 

Sorry I'm not one of these words offends me, spend all day scouring the internet trying to be offended kind of people. Many women have referred to those who are gentlemen as being sexist. A school superintendent here in Mass wasn't hired because he had the audacity to refer to two women as ladies. Men who have stuck up for women have been called sexist. Or opened the door for them. The left can't complain about something going away when they are the reason it went away in the first place.

 

Well first, I don't think stoicism is "toxic masculinity." It's a fairly good philosophy of life for some people, and I don't think stoicism is "toxic."

Secondly from your brief description, it sounds like this has a lot less to do with masculinity and more with fear. If your dad has a prostate cancer diagnosis, he may be dealing with it by trying to ignore it, and not face it. I'm sorry about your dad because those sort of feelings can be a real hindrance to getting proper medical care. He may simply be scared and is blocking it out. Of course I'm just guessing on limited information, but nothing you wrote sounds like Andrew Tate.

 

You are thinking of the actual Greco-Roman philosophy of Stoicism. I've spoken favorably of that in the forums in the past. That's not what was being discussed here. I'm not talking about Seneca or Aurelius or Epictetus, and I read the Enchirdion several times a year.

I'm talking about the more common usage of the term in English. And, yes, that path is toxic. It involves men trying to be "tough" by avoiding basic medical care, both for their physical and mental health. This is a big part of why men neglect their mental health.

Yes. That's part of that whole toxic masculinity thing. That was the point.

Yes, those toxic masculinity feelings can be a real hindrance to getting proper medical care.

Then go back and actually read what I wrote about Tate. That was in regards to the youth I've mentored. They, unfortunately, sometimes echo Tate's opionions about how depression isn't real (that part does involve the above), how women should be treated as property, and about how "alpha males" shouldn't even read books.

 

Your second sentence contradicts the first.

I'm sorry. I don't spend all day scouring the internet trying to be offended like this.

 

@yardmeat what you say is correct, it's the way we're raised as in men can't be wussies.

When I played football my coach would frequently tell us to walk of injuries. In my senior year, this coach was also my gym teacher and we were being tested on the long jump. As I ran down the track ( don't know which happened first) my hip popped out of the socket which caused a small tear in my thigh muscle or the tear caused the hip to pop out. I crashed onto the ground in a lot of pain and guess what he said? Walk it off. The hip had popped back into its socket but it was killing me and was my thigh. I don't don't how the hospital could tell it popped out and in, but they did. When my coach saw me on crutches a few days later I think he lost respect for me.

I recently tested for having blood where there should not be any. I put off getting scoped until the nagging from the wife and health providers finally made me go. I'm glad to say all is fine.

 

Toxic Masculinity is just a toxic label to plant on men...first coined by liberal feminists. With the word MISOGYNY so commonplace, I'm amazed that there isn't a word just as well known speaking to man hatred. Perhaps one trait of toxic femininity is victim mongering...which motivates that MISOGYNY word being thrown out so often.

Anther toxic femininity issue is a women being to weak to say "no I won't have sex with you" and coming back 20 years later crying about it and most likely getting money.

Toxic femininity is women marrying for money and divorcing for money.

We could go on and on about bad character in general. It's not a MAN thing. Bad character is something both genders can show. Due to activists....one gender gets a toxic label and one doesn't.

 

I'm sorry that you don't understand the concept, but you clearly don't. According to your "logic" your own comments about toxic femininity are an attack on women.

 

I'm glad to hear that all is well, man. The whole "just rub some dirt in it" mentality has gotten me in trouble more than once. Hell, that's a big part of what lead me to self medicating and alcohol abuse. It is a big part of why guys put off prostate exams, which could have saved my dad a lot of suffering. I'm grateful that you see these observations for what they are instead of as an attack on masculinity. I may have to start another thread at some point about positive masculinity, but I should probably mention more of that here as well. It is kind of difficult to find examples in television and film since the guy is so often portrayed as a villain, brute, or buffoon.

 

sorry? you betcha.

being a gentlemen went out with the dueling code. freedom of speech NOW requires self discipline whereas the founders generation knew exactly what such "free speech" might cost.

 

This generalization is sexist. Basic human nature was renamed "toxic" in an attempt to demonize males behaving in a manner consistent with their genetic makeup. Without this trait, our species would be extinct.

 

Please try reading what was actually written. This desperate strawman isn't welcome here. You are smarter than this and you are literate.

 

I read your sweeping generalization fallacy and responded directly. You are blaming masculinity for not seeking medical attention.

The image of masculinity in one of strength. Lets take a look at males that view that as a negative. They are overweight and weak. Since you combined masculinity with health, can you say that men rejecting the image of masculinity are healthier?

 

Maybe the hint is to treat your 'woman', better?

 

So those wars won by masculinity were against females?
Or was it the clashes of masculinity and stupidity of it?

 

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