Read an article about incels transmaxxing to take advantage of female privilege. Even though they do not suffer from gender dysphoria they are transitioning from male to female achieve a better quality of life. Went down the rabbit hole a little. Visited forums for tansmaxxers where they are all giving each other advice, sharing updates of their transitioning and stages of where stages of hormone therapy they are at. Lots of sharing of pictures and users giving advise / helping each other on how they can better "pass" as female. I find it a little bizarre that the underlying theme is that non of them started this journey because of gender dysphoria but rather they just want to unlock "easy mode" in life by becoming female. What really messed with me was to discover this is working for them. Lots of reports of so significantly less hostility/prejudice against them since transitioning from male to female. A higher quality of life and significant increases acceptance received from others, an increase in their own happiness and wellbeing. Of course there is a huge sexual part to this movement which I've deliberately not gone into. Which also has overwhelming positive reports from the trans maxxers and increased sexual satisfaction (which is doesn't surprise me as they are starting out as incels, so anything would be an improvement for them). But lots of discussion and advise to on how to deliberately and forcefully change their own sexual orientation from straight.
Female 'privilege'? That phrase is prime for dissection. If these people truly believe that, well bless their hearts.
Can't say I'd ever heard of the term or concept but having just looked up a couple of forums, I'm not convinced it's as consistent or straight-forwards as you suggest. Most of the narratives I saw suggested much more complex and varied reasons for transitioning (as is the case in general) and while there may be some, I'm not convinced there will be many who would go to such lengths to simply "take advantage" of being female. Thinking about it, I wouldn't be surprised if some level of gender dysphoria wasn't a factor in the whole incel thing in general, not being able to see any positives of being male and believing that being female is so much better and easier. The concept of toxic masculinity could be attractive as an attempt to fight those feelings, trying to find happiness by focusing on the (perceived) benefits of being male.
Yes. Of course there is female privilege. Like how could there not be? Men and women are different. Their are clear privileges to both sides of the coin.
One only has to look at history, and current equality issues to understand that there aren't 'privileges' to either gender. There are different environments in play, but I think that these people you reference just have a case of 'the grass is greener over the fence'. Me thinks they want a different life than the one they have, and are trying to make themselves something they aren't. Just my opinion.
Most feminist/liberal people talk about male privilege and don't acknowledge female privilege. But thinking about it, I think there's truth to both sides. The female privilege is in not being seen as a threat - people being nicer to you - maybe even guys buying you a free drink if you're really convincing, lol. Male privilege refers to the ability to get a better paying job, or being paid more for the same job, being taken more seriously and with more candor. Which sounds better sort of depends on what you struggle with. Incels often are seen as "creepy" in some way, so i can see why female privilege would appeal to them.
So a man buying a woman a drink is a privilege? So what do you call it if a woman buys the man a drink? Not being seen as a threat is a privilege? At times it may be an advantage, but generally, being seen as 'less' is not considered a good thing.
Definitely - in the same way it's a privilege to not be young anymore whenever police are present. I don't get harassed just for walking around thinking I'm up to something like when I was a teen. A less threatening person gets friendlier and more helpful responses from people. Being a threat is a burden in our society. It would be an asset in a lawless place, I guess. People open doors for you more, buy you drinks more, are willing to help you more, if you're a female. It seems like a privilege to me, but it's not without disadvantages.
Males are typically physically superior in regards of being larger, more muscle mass, faster , stronger. If you possess positive male characteristics have drive and are ambitions the sky is pretty much the limit for you. Let me tell you life as a male is awesome!!! As long as you know how to play the game and win at life. Negative (not actually a negative) ( but a negative for the unsuccessful functioning males , the losers , failures like incels ). Automatic respect is not given. As a male if you suck at life you're basically classed as dirt. Outcast , zero compassion , left to rot. No real support system in place. It's why so many losers kill themselves and the suicide rate is higher amongst males than females. Obviously if you're disabled, or fit certain criteria the would will embraced and the world will show you warmth, but for regular function males they are just seen as creepy and pathetic. I think what incels are drawn to is the fact the female world does not function the same way. Respect and warm is a given , it's a right not something earned. For incels changing from male to female instantly gives them access to a world which is supporting, respectful, somewhere that it's possible for them to be loved even as the pathetic loser that they are. I believe this is the female privilege they are attached too. For example.... If you heard a story of a incel hanging himself and rotting in his apartment for weeks because he lived in isolation and was an outcast. Nobody cares. The majority of people would think good riddance, he did the world a favour . Very little sympathy. This is an incels reality. Flip it... If a trans woman hung herself because a feeling of isolation. The story becomes tragic. This sort of sympathy and acceptance that they are looking for. They are just looking to be loved , accepted and supported. Female privilege grants them automatic access to this.
I agree with the gist of this in terms of their motivation, but minus the judgement and alpha-beta mindset. It would be a terrible mindset to have. I think the ironic thing about incels is that usually personality really is the issue. I've known guys with ugly faces who worked hard to get great bodies and still attracted some women - and they had good attitudes too which may have been more important. Some women will only date successful men, but many just want somebody they want to be around. The incel attitude isn't great for that.
Yep lazy men lacking drive and ambition. Losers that are outcast by society as a whole pretty much sums it up. Completely agree with what you said what they want is actually obtainable for them. The thing is they don't have the strength to make a better reality a possibility. It's just not in their mental capacity to put in the work. Hence transmaxxing. Activating easy mode in life by taking advantage of female privilege. Nothing against incels or them using female privilege in a way to make their lives a happier more furfiled place. It's such an interesting subject.
The assumption that women have an automatic acceptance, receives acceptance or support is false. Once again, as noted by Uninhibited, personality is a huge portion of acceptance. Looks plays a part with certain groups, but again, personality can overcome poor looks. I can't speak for incels, I don't know any personally. Another facet to acceptance by anyone, is presentation. Extreme of sloppy or OCD neat and tidy can be a barrier visually, and visual is almost always first contact. I don't view any of what you listed as 'privilege', there are any number of outcast women as there are males.
I find it bizarre you needed to pose an alleged article to introduce your personal opinions so as to cushion yourself from the actual opinions you stated. Next I would state it is a misconception to believe one needs to undergo gender dysphoria to have a genuine reason to transition and that maybe before you posed this misconception you should have researched it further rather than just toss it out as a given. Next your claim that people are transitioning simply because they want to have it easier as a woman I would argue is YOUR opinion and reflects your: 1-resentment towards women and belief that have it easier 2-need to trivialize why people transition 3-need to engage in 2 above to devalue the process which again is your agenda 4-engage in malicious gossip. Contrary to what YOU think also posed as the opinion of others, there are prerequisites and testing done before someone transitions to screen out people for the very reasons you say. The actual process is lengthy, time consuming and requires commitment. Yes some people do regret transitioning but not because they thought things would become easier and did not as a woman but because of complex issues regarding their original gender identity. The fact is you do not know why anyone transitions. You assume you do posing your knowledge based on your own subjective assumptions and alleged gossip you read. Excuse the bluntness but I spent over 20 years putting people in jail for sex crimes so I don't have time to play roles with people who have sexual anxiety issues posed as speculating about the sexual identity of others. Been there done that, There is enough ignorance and hatred out there without you adding to misconceptions that trivialize the actual **** show and turmoil people go through who transition. No its not for the idiotic and simplistic reason you suggested. That is your projected assumption. You do not speak for any transexual. How about before you claim to know what any transexual thinks you ask them instead of gossiping and speculating. Watch some videos of people who go through transition and why they do if you are really interested. Otherwise move on. Life is too short for you spreading bitchy gossip about transitioning people who I will defend. Why? Because I have seen what happens to them when this kind of gossip turns into violent actions against them. It is no one's business but the business of the person transitioning why they do. Finally might I suggest in terms of motives to speculate on, how about you start with yourself and ask why you feel the need to question their motives.
Bias towards females is to see them as lacking agency. Males are held more accountable for their actions, presumed the aggressor in most conflicts, and there is less empathy for them, but they are also seen as more competent and more suitable to lead, etc. This bias can be both a benefit and a detriment depending on the situation.
A less qualified woman has a higher chance of getting hired onto a Fire Department than a more qualified man does. As one example. If this were not so, men would universally dominate the physical aptitude tests that firefighter applicants undergo. A man who is able to apply as a 'woman' gets the best of both worlds- the benefit (or we could say privilege) of having greater physical ability and also the benefit/privilege of ticking off the 'minority' box that exists to create more qual opportunities for women in that feild. This doesn't only apply to Fire Departments, but they are one of the easiest examples. And of course, this sort of 'privilege' isn't universal across society. But it does exist, and if 'woman' is not an objectively defined term, it creates a situation where unscrupulous people can take advantage of. And apparently they are doing just that.
So the 'diversity' title leads over to hiring people because they check a box, not because they have all the credentials, or experience, or even physical requirements? That leads people to call it 'privilege'? That could really cause a bit of an uproar if those same principals were applied across the board. So who is to say the other people who go through transitioning aren't doing if for the same reasons? I know some questions have been raised in regards to sports, so should it automatically be assumed that others are doing it for the same 'gain of privilege'? I would hope not, but when some people start muddying the waters that way, it contaminates those that are honest about their position.
No, they still have to meet the requirements. But often those requirements are met by far more applicants than there are positions available to fill. Suppose a fire department is looking to hire 10 new recruits, but they get 100 applicants and 50 of those applicants meet all the requirements (as a former firefighter, I can attest to this being a common situation) The department will choose the 10 'best'. Without any preference being given to women based on their sex, then those 'best' are more likely to include the ten people who performed the physical tests with the best scores, and in the world of firefighting, those tests are heavily weighted on size and strength- (being able to carry heavy equipment and move with agility while wearing heavy, restrictive clothing). There are of course other dynamics to firefighting- being able to follow direction, having a minimum level of education, background checks, and a degree of common sense, but by and large, those other requirements are not all that stringent and women have no advantage over men in meeting them. Thus without having a box to tick that makes them more attractive as a recruit, women don't have much hope of becoming firefighters even though they often make very competent ones. But if men can be 'women', and enough of them decide to take advantage of this loophole, then 'ticking that box' no longer has any value, and once again firefighting becomes an industry largely unavalable to actual women, dominated instead by men and men who 'transition' to women.
I understand what you are saying, but that is one industry out of many, according to those who feel there actually is a thing called 'female privilege' there are more benefits to being female. That is what I am referring to about 'checking the box', where jobs and industries are playing the 'diversity' and 'inclusiveness' to the detriment of others... just like any situation where consideration is given the physical attributes over other aspects of a candidate for a position. There are times I wonder if all hiring should be done entirely blind, so no physical attributes are considered. Resumes are assigned a 'Cadidate number' and that's all.
That would make sense to me, yes. Take the most suitable individual for the job, regardless of gender, race, whatever else. But in doing so, you would exclude most women from some physically demanding jobs and some take issue with that. I would remind them that the reverse is also true, and some other jobs would have better performance by most women than most men.
