Trump’s history-making hush-money trial begins ...(Mod Warning)

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  1. bx4

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    Or even occurred.

    The only thing that needs to be proven is an intention.
     
  2. Bush Lawyer

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    She didn't as we all know.
     
  3. Bush Lawyer

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    It provides the context and motive.
     
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    ???? Not when talking to his attorney and only when talking to the prosecutor.
     
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    The motive would be the same whether Stormy's story was factual or fabricated. And the differing context would be irrelevant to the charges brought.
     
  6. Bush Lawyer

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    Rubbish. If he**** did not have the screw, he**** would have said so, and not paid her a cent. The stupid idiot**** did screw her, did pay her, and then was dumb enough to deny it even going to 'horse head' lengths.

    Innocent, honourable, decent men who have conducted their defence without smearing every witness of the Prosecution, give evidence if they are wrongly accused. Apart from the hum drum "5th" why did he**** not give evidence? He**** has said why. Can you repeat his**** reasons?
     
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    Well, he did say so. He also denied the doorman's claim that he fathered a child with the house keeper and paid him to keep his story to himself. Even though he was just repeating a rumor he had heard with no first hand knowledge. Even though as far as the reporting goes it was a complete fabrication.
    Whether the story is a fabrication or factual, the damage to his reputation and family would be the same if its on the front page of the National Inquirer.

    I know, even though whether he had an affair or not is irrelevant to the charges, it is the most important part to the Trump critics.

    Nonsense. This judge would allow this prosecutor on cross exam to broach any topic he likes. Already ruled that other allegations of affairs would be open to cross examination of Trump.
     
  8. Bush Lawyer

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    Yes, I guess that happens when you are screwing every woman whose ***** you can grab.



    Not to me. All it does is set the context and provides motive for payment. Nothing Stormy Daniels says is going to impugn the already disgraced moral reputation of Humpty****.



    Yes, and a correct ruling. Do you know why? I'll tell you. Humpty**** opened that door himself by attacking the character of Prosecution witnesses. That allows his**** character to be made the subject of cross-examination. He**** made the bed he**** complains about having to lie in! Lawyers know this, but lay people do not. Simple truth is...if you attack the character of a Prosecution witness, that allows the Prosecution to go after yours. Don't attack the character of a Prosecution witness, the Prosecution cannot go after yours.
     
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    Did we get him yet!? I've been waiting for seven years ..... I really thought we had him this time!!
     
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    Will Bush Lawyer ever figure out why he's eternally single?
     
  11. Bush Lawyer

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    RUOK, George?
     
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    Irrelevant to the crimes charged.
     
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    Trump himself marked the $420,000 down as a "legal expense" and the accountant followed suit in the drop box.
    When the $420,000 should have been entered as a Cohen "hush money" reimbursement that we doubled for taxable income purposes, plus IT services plus a bonus for Cohen. lol
    The "3" options jurors have for a felony conviction were clearly laid out.


    'Prosecutors in Trump's hush money trial rest their case after ...'

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    ABC News - Breaking News, Latest News and Videos
    https://abcnews.go.com › story

    5 days ago — Trump had pleaded not guilty and denied any wrongdoing. "I was paying a lawyer and I marked it down as a legal expense," Trump told reporters


    Donald J. Trump

    @realDonaldTrump


    The reason the Radical, highly Conflicted Judge Juan Merchan had to come up with three FAKE options for the jury to choose from, without requiring them to be unanimous, which is completely UNAMERICAN AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL, is because the Corrupt, Soros backed D.A., Alvin Bragg, couldn’t come close to proving that any crime was committed. THERE WAS NO CRIME. Legal Expense paid to a lawyer was marked, by a bookkeeper using a dropdown menu in a computer program, as Legal Expense paid to a lawyer. WHAT ELSE COULD YOU CALL IT? There is NO CASE, just a Democrat Persecutor controlled by Crooked Joe Biden’s White House, a Democrat Judge, and a biased venue. This is nothing but an Election Interfering Witch Hunt, and the American People know it! MAGA2024



    May 26, 2024, 11:45 PM
     
  15. Bush Lawyer

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    Well, well, well, well, and bloody well! Hello, hello, hello, hello!!!!!!

    Has Humpty**** just shot himself in the foot with this?

    Trump 'reliance on Counsel.'.png

    Is that not a clear admission by him**** that he**** well knew of this bullshit scheme and relied on the advice of Counsel (Cohen presumably) that it was all okay?

    If it's not, can anyone explain what he**** is saying?

    [Of course, to rely on this 'advice of counsel' defence (a) you have to give prior notice of it, and (b) you have to get in the witness box and claim it.]
     
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    Explain what he meant in that 'tweet' then. "Reliance on Counsel."
     
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    trump is creating material to use when he appeals the upcoming guilty verdict

    the ole " my lawyer screwed me" defense
     
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    Trump admitted to nothing....
    I'll let Trump explain what he meant... . so you just do your very best to spin what he said, and not attempt to spin anything anyone else says....

    https://truthsocial.com/

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    @Izzy

    Try to keep up... Trump admitted to nothing...
     
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    He's**** wasting his time on that one for the two reasons I have already posted.

    My point is that this is a clear but out of court admission by Humpty**** that he**** was advised by a Lawyer to enter into this scheme, and that logically means he**** knew all about it from start to the time he**** signed the last of the many cheques drawn to reimburse Cohen. He**** says however, "I am innocent because my Lawyer Mr ????, said it was okay, so I did it."
     
  23. Izzy

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    When are you finally going to learn not to believe Trump? lol
    Trump doesn't need the "reliance on advice of counsel" cause he says he did nothing wrong yet Bove tried like hell to just get it, or whatever he renamed it.
    Trump's a compulsive patho liar who gets away with it because his devotees are too afraid to fact check him, so they just repeat his lies.

    'Judge scolds Trump lawyer for again raising ‘involvement of counsel’ theory'

    Justice Juan Merchan said Trump's team was trying to recycle an argument the judge previously rejected.

    05/21/2024, 4:58PM ET

    Justice Juan Merchan rebuked Trump lawyer Emil Bove for seeking to include an instruction to the jury about the “involvement of counsel” in connection with Donald Trump’s intent regarding the Karen McDougal hush money deal.

    Bove argued that David Pecker’s testimony in which he said he believed the McDougal deal was “bulletproof” — and used that term in a conversation with Trump — meant there was a “fair inference” to be made that Trump understood the contract had been vetted by lawyers.

    But Merchan accused Bove of concocting the “involvement of counsel” term to try to circumvent discovery requirements that would have arisen if Trump's team had raised an “advice of counsel” defense.

    Before the trial began, the judge ordered Trump’s lawyers to disclose whether they intended to rely on an “advice of counsel” defense — a legal maneuver in which a defendant argues that he relied in good faith on legal advice. After Trump's team said it wouldn't raise that sort of defense, they informed Merchan that they intended to offer “something called the presence of counsel, which I had never heard of,” Merchan said.

    Merchan ruled then that Trump was precluded from arguing a “presence of counsel” defense.

    “Now, this ‘presence of counsel’ has morphed yet again into 'involvement of counsel,'” Merchan said. “My answer hasn’t changed, and honestly I find it a little disingenuous for you to make this argument again,” he told Bove.

    When Bove attempted to speak, Merchan told him, “Please don’t get up.”

    Merchan continued admonishing him.

    “It was concerning when notice was not given initially. It was concerning when the term was changed to presence of counsel. I couldn’t believe when i saw it again in your submission calling it involvement of counsel,” the judge said.

    After Bove insisted on further explaining himself, mentioning that testimony at the trial had resurfaced the issue, Merchan told him: “You said that already, Mr. Bove.”

    “I heard it the first time and I heard it the second time. ... It’s denied. It’s not going to happen. Please don’t raise it again.”

    https://www.politico.com/live-updat...inal-trial/judge-scolds-trump-lawyer-00159247
     
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    There's Lots more of what Trump admitted to.
    Closing arguments tomorrow, be there.
     
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    Great... show us.... leave out the skewed BS where you interpret what YOU THINK he said....
     

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