Trump administration set to unveil $1 trillion infrastructure proposal in 2018

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  1. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We do need to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and Democrats were all for it when Obama got his stimulus package passed. Unfortunately little to none of that money actually went to rebuilding our infrastructure so here we are again. It will be interesting to see if Democrats oppose this and if they do how they reconcile their opposition after giving Obama his 787 billion dollars no questions asked while Trump is apparently going to ask for only 200 billion.


    "The White House is working to release a roughly 70-page infrastructure proposal sometime in January for members of Congress to use as a cornerstone for drafting the legislation in 2018.

    In December, President Trump met with senior administration officials and House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chairman Bill Shuster, R-Pa., to discuss the proposal.

    “The meeting with the president was encouraging and very productive,” Shuster said in a statement. “He’s a builder — he gets the importance of infrastructure and why it matters for jobs and the economy. Addressing our nation’s infrastructure in a bipartisan manner is going to take strong presidential leadership, and I believe we have a president who can provide the necessary leadership and who wants to rebuild our infrastructure to strengthen our economy.”

    "This spring, the administration called for using $200 billion in direct federal spending over the next 10 years. This was intended to spur $800 billion in spending by states, localities and private investors".


    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/t...frastructure-proposal-in-2018/article/2644180
     
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    Oh so what happened to fiscal conservatism?
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's your answer? You are opposed to rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure because it's not fiscal conservatisim? I'd say 200 billion tax payer dollars as opposed to obamas over 700 billion is pretty conservative and this time it will be spent as intended instead of used as a political slush fund.
     
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    Trump was a liberal until fairly recently, this is something both Liberals and Conservatives should support

    but Trump did lie about his 1 trillion infrastructure plan, this is a 200 billion plan
     
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    Oh gods, that’s a funny joke no matter who you are. Good one.
     
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    Fixing our crumbling infrastructure wasn't a joke when Obama proposed it but then again he did get a good laugh out of it when he joked about his shovel ready jobs not being so shovel ready after all.
     
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    If you read the link his proposal is 200 billion in Federal spending that is meant to stimulate another 800 billion in private and state spending.
     
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    Trump is no longer planning to do a trillion dollar plan, he is planning to do a 200 billion plan, read it fine

    if the states do a plan of their own, Trump doesn't get credit for that

    I want the infrastructure plan Trump promised
     
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    No. The part where you said it will all be used as intended. Oh gods, that was hilarious. Best joke I’ve heard all week.
     
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    I am interested to see how Trump forces states to spend the money differently then Obama did, Obama trusted state governors to spend it, will Trump say he knows better and tell them how to spend it

    remember, Obama said state know what they need, and should decide for themselves where to spend it

    be funny if Trump said, states do not know what they need better then me, I know whats best for them
     
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    His original proposal was exactly this. He never proposed the feds spending a trillion but he said that he would find ways to have Federal spending spur state and private investors to participate. I'm not sure how that works but this guy is a shrewd business man and knows more about it than I do. I imagine it could be things like offering to finish the Spokane north south freeway if localities pitched in a certain percentage.
     
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    What happened to the "wall"?

    Suddenly all of the BLOTUS's supporters have forgotten about the "wall"?
     
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    You missed the fact that entries are being tested?
     
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    i am all the infrastructure, but it will come with deficits, period. the notion of stimulation, is a crap shoot, not all states are equal.
     
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    Now the alt-left are against rebuilding our infrastructure.

    LMFAO!
     
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    Alt right translation: "Wall? What wall? No one said anything about building a wall!"
     
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    You are alt-right?
     
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    no they are not, they want the trillion in infrastructure, we are just pointing out that now it is going to be less then promised, now it is only gonna be 200 billion
     
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    Bush nation built Iraq, Trump should ask for his Trillion, dems and repubs will support him on that, we need to nation build America
     
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    As I said this was always the Trump plan, a trillion overall but not all from government. It remains to be seen if he can deliver but the plan is the same
     
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    The wall is border security not infrastructure. Two different projects.
     
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    It will emlploy and if done correctly it will stimulate the economy not only from employment but also from a more efficient transportation infrastructure.
     
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    We need to rebuild those corrupt hell-holes that are Democrat administered inner cities.

    Our parents and grandparents built us a great nation, and we have failed to even maintain it:
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    President Trump met with senior administration officials and House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chairman Bill Shuster, R-Pa., to discuss the proposal.

    “The meeting with the president was encouraging and very productive,” Shuster said in a statement. “He’s a builder — he gets the importance of infrastructure and why it matters for jobs and the economy. Addressing our nation’s infrastructure in a bipartisan manner is going to take strong presidential leadership, and I believe we have a president who can provide the necessary leadership and who wants to rebuild our infrastructure to strengthen our economy.”

    During the 2016 campaign, Trump first promised to deliver a $1 trillion infrastructure plan to improve the condition of U.S. roads, bridges, airports, and other public works.

    This spring, the administration called for using $200 billion in direct federal spending over the next 10 years. This was intended to spur $800 billion in spending by states, localities and private investors.

    Initially, Democrats appeared to back an infrastructure plan. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., expressed interest early on to work with the administration on an infrastructure package.

    Shuster does not expect a large infrastructure plan to progress without bipartisan support and wants to include Democrats, according to senior committee aides.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/t...frastructure-proposal-in-2018/article/2644180
     
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    again i am all for improving the infrastructure, but it will create deficits. usually these types of projects are done with bonds. there are no guarantees.

    remember 1 yr or 5 yrs from now, the economy may not be so good. your posts dont reflect the natural changes in the economy.
     
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    I am certainly not opposed to rebuilding infrastructure.

    But claiming taht Trump is offering a billion dollar proposal is a cynical lie.

    Particularly when that lie is accompanies by another lie, in which Obama is falsely accused of using the $787 billion Stimulus Bill as a political slush fund. This is a claim that right wingers are fond of repeating, but NEVER are able to back up.

    In fact, slightly more than half of that package was wasted. Wasted on tax cuts the GOP insisted on. And since they were holding a rapidly collapsing economy hostage, they got them.

    Slightly less than half of it did go to infrastructure projects, mostly to pavement overlays and miscellaneous repairs that could be awarded on schedule of values contracts. Most of the highly heavy construction industry lived off those contracts for three years, and they saved a lot of jobs.

    Trump's real proposal is $200 billion, half of what the Obama program was.

    This nonsense about "attracting" $800 billion in state and local financing is BS.

    How is this supposed to be paid for? Especially when the Trump tax cut went after deductions for state and local taxes, creating a powerful pressure against raising those revenues.

    The $200 billion number is insignificant compared to the nations' real needs, which are multiple trillion in scope.

    Of course, Trump could show some uncharacteristic courage (no, bluster and chest beating are NOT courage), and raise the Federal gas tax, which hasn't been raised in 25 years. That would provide a lot of money.

    But that would require Trump and the GOP to do something uncharacteristic. They would have to tell people that what they want costs something.

    Remember taht this is the President and the Party that just renewed its embrace of borrow and spend fiscal policy.

    Telling people to pay for anything is a bridge too far for these guys. (so, the bridges, will continue to rust).
     
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