Trump administration to expel Chinese graduate students linked to China’s military schools

Some good news!

Trump administration to expel Chinese graduate students linked to China’s military schools

The Trump administration plans to revoke thousands of visas held by Chinese graduate students and researchers in the United States, escalating its crackdown on the Chinese government’s theft of intellectual property.

Those with direct ties to universities affiliated with the People’s Liberation Army will have their visas canceled, American officials with knowledge of the discussions told the New York Times. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo discussed the matter with President Trump on Tuesday at the White House.

The expulsions could affect at least 3,000 students, according to some estimates. Though it’s a small percentage of the approximately 360,000 Chinese students in the U.S., it is likely to spark pushback from universities that rely on full tuition payments from international students and critics who say the administration’s crackdown is contributing to anti-Asian racism.

It's a first step. Clearly we need to wean our higher education institutions from Chinese students. This is a small, but important first step.

 

Excellent !

Let’s cut as many ties with China as possible.

 

Universities need an overhaul. They've been giving Chinese students access to the West's science which end up being used against us while grossly in-debting domestic students with dead end degrees.

 

So this affects not even 1% of the Chinese students.
"good news". lol

 

Way to miss the point.

 

Let us not forget, it was Klaus Fuchs who had slipped info on how to build the bomb to the Soviets. Later he gave a Chinese student of his the blue print to build a bomb in a European University.

 

Huh, I actually said, "Clearly we need to wean our higher education institutions from Chinese students. This is a small, but important first step."

So is your argument that it's too small of a first step, and we should move right to banning all Chinese students, or that we shouldn't be banning any Chinese students at all?

 

nah they can just goto EU, canada etc, if you look at precent of graduate school in science/technology etc most are from Asia, particularly china and india. then after graduate some the smartest will get hired by amazon/google/etc. goto silicon valley google/yahoo campus etc, there are alot more asian than other race. Also most engineering professor in US are from asia. complete sever asia student from US will do alot US harm, not just the tuition but talents needed to keep US been #1 in tech. University is just that, there are plenty around the world. R&D in university mostly done by grad student.

 

So pro China.

Got it.

 

nope its fact. i work in tech. i know exactly how many foreigner work in the field and enroll in Grad University schools etc. 50% of silicon valley are foreign born, another 20-30% 2nd gen asia-american whose parent immigrant to US study hard, got PhD and work in the scientific field later parenting their children to be scientist/engineer that contribute alot to US technology. watch this you understand. everywonder why china and india has its own silicon valley now? its because alot graduate from EU/US are going back to their own countries and start their own business. lets not forgot how many foreigner born professor in the University that teach ppl skills and do the R&D. go to any engineer school in any university, see how many are foreign born graduate and professors, then youll understand why we are #1 in tech despite our shitty education system.

 

So are the Chinese the only Asian tech nerds in the world???

 

No but big chunk of it, and 99.9% just want to get a better job and better living standard after graduate, and not spies claimed by conspiracy theories. give you one example, the father of China nuclear weapon, he was a foreign born chinese-american US scientist that help US nuclear program. however during the 2nd red scare, he was detain without charge despite his colleagues vouch for him, eventually china trade him for some US prisoner from Korean war. He later help china make its nuke, if it weren't for him, China nuke would be delayed by a decade or more.

The point is if these high skill worker went back to china and help their company whether military or commercial, it will accelerate their advancement in high tech. US is not the only place got good university, EU/Japan/many other has those too. We send all those graduate back, we basically give china ammo to fight in a tech wars.

 

Unless you are trying to make some sort of weird racial superiority point about Asians, mentioning children of immigrants (who are Americans) seems to have nothing to do with anything in this thread. We're not even talking about "Asians." This is about China, not Asians or the "foreign born" in general.

All in all, a weird post considering the thread topic. Particularly your bragging about how foreigners get training in the US and go back to their own countries to compete against us. Sounds like a solid public policy plan.

 

I see this as a complex issue. As an academic and researcher, I have seen Chinese students among those from other countries, significantly contribute to domestic scholarship, advances in life-saving research, and incoming research capital.

I have also seen students in graduate programs and from elsewhere displace deserving students from the US and interfere with improving graduate school access to people born here, and who are also smart. I am not against removing Chinese (or Indian, or Russian et., al 2020) who have demonstrated ties to direct antithetical interests of the US, but I think a line must be drawn too--we do not, I think want to remove all industrious Chines (or Pakistani, Indian) students and researchers from US Universities either.

 

Since we're in a de facto cold war with China now, I think Chinese students studying in US Universities should be looked on in the same way as a bunch of Soviet students enrolled in STEM courses in the US during the 1950's; with caution.

It seems to me that it's better public policy to educate Americans in needed fields over students from a country that intends to replace us on the world stage.

 

Caution, yes. Condemnation and all-size-fits-all, no. Let us remember a number of times in history, US students, FBI agents, CIA agents, professors, and corporations have sold us out. I don't think we need a new branch of McCarthyism...

 

the things is our culture worship sport star, cheeleader etc. and most american dont want to study in STEM field(scientific, technology, Engineering, mathematic), the demand for high skill worker is so high that often company can't hired enough ppl to fill those position. during 2008 financial, there is very little layoff compare to other industries. alot american dont want enroll in 4 years engineering school + 2 year in master + 4 year in Phds. They choose degree like art/music/etc, and wonder why they can't find jobs after graduation.

 

Well I don't think that's what I'm talking about at all.

 

Well that is a public policy fault. It's just as easy to get student loans for art/music as it is for STEM, even if it means most of those graduates won't be working in their fields, they'll be baristas or working some cubicle job while they spend decades paying down loans for exploring their passion. It's really outside the scope of this thread, but student loans should be risk assessed to determine the likelihood that students will be 1) working in the fields they are studying, and 2) ability to pay back loans based on projected income from working in their fields.

Fix that and you have fewer students being subsidized to waste their time and the public's money.

 

It's not much of a point.

 

I bet Beijing paid you a shiny new nickel to post that.

 

Ah... a first step. So you're keen on being racist against the Chinese and more steps against specifically them must be taken?

 

Are you unable to make a distinction between China the country, Chinese nationals, and ethnicity? I've been wondering about that because every time Trump (or anyone) squawks about China somehow "Racist!" seems to be the response.

 

I am not saying you are. I am stating my thoughts in reply, and getting a better feel for what you are saying; I am saying we should not chase out all Chinese students or researchers, but yes we should be more cautious.

 

We aren't talking about India or Asia. We are talking about Chinese students only. The action has nothing to do with education. It is about national security.