Trump fans, you got taken

You unhinged got taken by Barry and still so unhinged can't even see it lol.

Trump just rolled back Barry's unconstitutional clean water BS and is about to cut the State Dept 37%, I'd say he's taken us to the promise land of Making America Great Again!

 

I noticed you didn't take issue with anything I wrote in the OP. One can assume you regard the remarks as valid. If not, why not and be specific.

 

Prove that statement. Did you just make that up? I am rather certain you did. Prove me wrong.

 

You are right about one thing. Trade between nations is very complex. It is far more complicated than Trump thinks it is. He is making it more difficult by tossing trade agreements like TPP in favor of bilateral agreements with individual countries. He should renegotiate trade agreements, not toss them. Also, the "America first" mantra sounds great in campaign speeches, but not so great in negotiation talks with other countries. I doubt they will go along with "America first" style agreements. Trade agreements must benefit all sides, not just America's.

His 44% approval rating is the lowest of any President in our history at this stage of the administration. Ordinarily, 60% to 80% of the voters will give a new President the benefit of the doubt at first, a honeymoon period. But not Trump. Of course, he and his followers blame the Democrats and Obama instead of looking at the character of Trump. That argument belies our history. All other Presidents except Trump have enjoyed a honeymoon. The only change in the equation is Trump. Ergo, Trump must be the cause of the lowest approval rating in our history.

 

That is true, Seth, competition obviously is a factor in the sale of cars. Of course, there are many factors in car manufacturing. However, my math and your statement are not mutually exclusive. Here is an interesting view on car manufacturing.

For the auto industry, made-in-the-U.S. means something much different these days.

Tension over the location of automotive assembly plants reignited after Ford Motor confirmed that it would shift all of its U.S. small-car manufacturing to Mexico. Fiat Chrysler Automobiles also recently said it would cease U.S. small-car assembly. On the campaign trail, GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump said of the shift of auto jobs to Mexico, "We shouldn't allow it to happen."

Ford and Fiat Chrysler have been caught up in the ongoing political firestorm over the role of U.S. trade policy — and the North American Free Trade Agreement in particular — in encouraging auto companies to move production to lower-cost plants in Mexico.

To be sure, both Ford and Fiat Chrysler have invested billions in U.S. plants in recent years, largely to make bigger, more profitable vehicles that Americans are buying at higher rates.

Want to buy American? OK. But what does that even mean?

A Cars.com assessment this year determined that the Toyota Camry, assembled at plants in Kentucky and Indiana, is the most made-in-the-U.S. car you can buy. The Honda Accord was a close second.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/09/16/made-in-usa-ford-fiat-chrysler-cars/90484950/

 

Perfectly happy with my choice.

You can't elevate the standard of living for the poor and middle class without increasing it for the rich also. When are you Dems ever going to get that?

 

This is what your source said, and it is consistent with my assessment. "Six-in-ten Americans said they are hopeful and optimistic about the future of the country, including an overwhelming 87 percent of Republicans (but just 37 percent of Democrats)." If nearly nine in ten Trump fans say they are "hopeful and optimistic" under a Trump administration, I am surprised the polling was as low as 60%, especially when they are joined by 37% of Democrats. That does not speak well of Trump.

We have enjoyed 75 straight months of job growth, and Trump has had very little to do with that. The stock market is booming on the come. The bull market is not a reflection of what Trump has accomplished. It is a reflective of the fact that one of their own is in the White House, and he better produce and sooner is better than later.

You really should take another look at the OP because you got taken. If you are a blue collar worker or sympathetic to same, they likely will be hurt by Trump's ideas on tax reform and trade protectionism.

 

If Trump really cleans up the illegal problem then I don't really care about the tax thing. But then again I am not an American.

Anyway, the OP's bias really shows. Everyday I see at least one thread from him/her bashing Trump.

 

Once again, you're taking a fraction of a fraction to create a more positive looking number. The fact that you need to use this tactic to create a positive looking number speaks for itself, the president's actual approval rating is around the low 40s high 30s

 

When it come to Trump or Hillary, Trump wins every time. Has the Left forgotten what she did As First Lady? As Secretary of State, she was a total disaster. Her and Obama both. They made a mess out of the Middle East. Backed stabbed Egypt's Mubarak and pissed off most of the Middle East. We were only saved from that fiasco by the Egyptian Army. Took out Libya's Kaddafi at a time we never had better relations with Libya. Then just walked away and let the country fall to terrorist and ISIS. Who then attacked our embassy and killed the Ambassador and three others. Allowed ISIS to take over half of Iraq and never fired a shot to stop them until American heads came off, then only made token strikes against them. Pilots were coming back with 75% of their arsenal because of restrictions put on them. What in hell made them think they could take out Syria's Assad, one of Russia's strongest Allies and think Russia would sit back and do nothing? The Middle East is in shambles and ISIS is what they are today because of them. Europe will never be the same again with millions of refugees and terrorist flocking there. You Sandy, think we made a mistake of picking Trump? I think not. In his worst days he couldn't do as bad as they did. That isn't even touching on his illegal policies.

 

LOL, I was quoting the poll data verbatim, you were the one doing some math acrobatics. The numbers speak for themselves

Six-in-ten Americans said they are hopeful and optimistic about the future of the country, including an overwhelming 87 percent of Republicans (but just 37 percent of Democrats). And a majority of respondents to the poll - 57 percent - also said that Trump is likely to "bring real change in the direction of the country." Among those who think Trump is likely to bring change, 63 percent believe those changes will be positive, while 30 percent disagree.

 

When you go back to school and learn what the word "taken" means then we will listen.

Because you have been "had!" You have been "taken" by Obama and the media for 8 years! And we have suffered for 8 years. I do not think you have a legitimate voice after playing the fool for so long. You, and 100 million others.

 

How so? 90% of republicans and 37% of Democrats, amounting to 60% of all Americans are optimistic about the future during Trump's presidency does not speak well of Trump? 60% is a very solid number. Please reconsider

 

The TPP is faux free trade which creates a global bureaucracy. Free trade is pretty simple: lower all import tariffs. Anything else is a restriction on free trade, not a boon to it.

The TPP is not amendable into something which resembles free trade. It is a tool to enforce (mostly US) copyright and corporate interests around the world.

1. Clinton wouldn't be doing too flash either, it was a horrible selection of candidates on all sides.

2. Trump is a bad candidate. He will enact bad policy. But nobody is talking about this policy, instead crying that Trump will literally exterminate the Jews/Muslims/dwarves/etc. When the media is constantly Hitler-baiting, it's difficult to get any legitimate criticism in.

3. For all the constant, unending Hitler-baiting, Trump is still backed by 45% of the country.

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You have only yourselves to blame for this. Both sides.

 

I totally agree. The decisions of both major parties to nominate whom they nominated lead to a Trump presidency. Each is responsible for him becoming president. Each made decisions and took actions which has lead to what we have today. Both sides for sure. We have what we have due to decisions and actions taken by both sides. Both sides are dirty as all get out.

 

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It has to be horrible to be in a position where you can't believe anything from the news media. But that is your position if one supports Trump.

 

Sure. I'll be very specific. Folks on the left are very selective about what they report, especially when it comes to polling.

I agree with Joe Concha of The Hill. Talking to Bill O'Reilly on the Feb 27th edition of the O'Reilly Factor, Concha says the following about the press bias:

So, again, 40% of Americans now believe we're on the right track (and you may count me amongst those), and 41% of Americans say the economy will get better (and you may count me amongst those). Is that clear enough for you? Any questions?

See above.

 

Trump just advocated adding tens of trillions to the debt.

No comment?

 

After tonight speech everyone can see why Trump was elected. Everyone can see what a real leader looks like.

 

I don't think he's all that much worse than past Presidents. Lots of hype going around on both sides right now.

In some areas I think he could be brilliant. In stemming the tide of global and regional governance for instance I think he will do quite well. Unfortunately, this is offset in other areas.

The left is too busy pretending (wishing?) that Trump will exterminate minorities with Zyklon B. The right is too busy gloating and defending from leftists to actually propose reasonable policy.

I hope the situation cools down, but I'm not holding out hope. Only global or national sovereignty can win out: someone has to lose. Interestingly, the Brits are experiencing the same thing. Time for California and Scotland alike to secede.

 

Again, I agree. Trump has done or tried to do somethings I like and some I don't. It was the same with Obama with me. Somethings he did was okay or good and others not. So far outside of the animosity against Trump, you're correct. He hasn't been all that different from other presidents. The problem today is polarization has taken place. It has become my party, right or wrong, loyalty to party and not to country. The unwillingness to give the guy a chance is out of this world.

The strange thing is, during the election cycle I detested the thought of both Clinton and Trump being elected president. But even though I don't particular care for Trump as an individual, his persona, his constant need to attack anyone who might say something bad about him. I may be one of a few to give him a chance to govern and not judge how he governs on his personality and other quirks I total dislike about him.

The fact is Trump is president, let's give the guy a chance to govern some before jumping to conclusions or making a judgement about him and his administration.

 

Another wise man once said, 'I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that I can never trust you again'.

 

"I don't think he's all that much worse than past Presidents." Now there is a powerful endorsement if I'd ever heard one. Just kidding.

Trump has many issues, most of them caused by his own persona. He must learn to ignore insults or he will be spending most of his Presidency fending off critics. He must learn to work with Congress. He is the leader of the Republican Party and the Republican Congress is still awaiting guidance on vital legislation. Obviously, his speech before a joint session of Congress was short on details like all such speeches. If he learns those two things, he will do fine, but his record so far is not so good.

 

What is that supposed to mean? Do you have any objection to what I wrote? If so, why not just come out with it instead of being so cryptic.

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Good post.