Trump Hypocrisy

So with all of Trump's complaining about the disenfranchisement of voters, you'd think he'd have a problem with NY's process by which whoever gets 50 percent of the vote gets 100 percent of the delegates and thus disenfranchises the other 50 percent that didnt vote for that candidate.

Oh....wait...Trump is campaigning like mad to get that 50 percent? Its almost as if he's a flaming hypocrite who only cares about the snake when he's the one getting bit by it. There have been plenty of winner take all states and other states that dole out delegates based on metrics other than by pure vote tallies and he and all his fans wait till now to start whining about it.

Ridiculous.

 

The system should be proportional, no super-delegates, no shenanigans, the plurality winner becomes nominee. This is the only fair and transparent process.

Meanwhile, at least the people of New York vote. The people of Colorado did not vote, their opinion on who should be the nominee was not even asked. No one on the planet has the slightest idea which candidate Colorado republicans supported. See the difference?

 

What's hilarious is that trump claims to be this super wheeler and dealer who can bargain his way out of everything. He also claimed that Romney was an idiot who ran a crappy campaign.

And yet...he can't figure out a simple primary system. Nothing has changed, you just have to know the rules or be smart enough to hire the talent that knows the rules.

I laugh every time he talks about the corruption of the system. How many times has this orange kkklown celebrated that corruption and taken advantage of it while bribing politicians with huge donations to gain unfair business advantage.

Now he's going to whine like a toddler about it?

trump is a pathetic loser. Whenever he's too stupid to figure stuff out (which is often) he whines and pouts. Where's that super intelligent business man that can make middle east peace deals? LOL...he can't even figure out a small republican primary in Colorado?!? Really???

What a stooge. Anyone dumb enough to support this scam artist moron needs their head examined.

What's really hilarious is that all his supporters are soon to be humiliated because this guy is going down like George Clooney's last girlfriend.

 

https://tsukesthoughts.wordpress.com/2016/04/16/legitimacy-and-legality-the-colorado-screwjob/

easiest way to explain it. Its not about who benefits from the process its that taking away all voting removes the legitimacy from it.

 

It's funny how none of you yahoos complained about the process set in place over a year ago. I can guarantee it if it was Cuz getting screwed by this you would be touting how "it's the rules". Just shows again the hypocrisy of Trump and many of his supporters lol

 

Disenfranchisement is disenfranchisement. Being okay with it in one case but not okay with it in another simply because of scale is intellectually dishonest imo especially when the rules and process have been crystal clear from the outset and indeed have been this way for decades. Does anyone think the electoral college is any better?

Im all for changing the process. But you dont do that in the middle of an election cycle. By all means try to get votes by makingbit a part of your platform but dont go issuing threats of a rebellion if the process screws you

 

Obviously.

Trump got 33% of the votes in SC, and got 100% of the delegates.

I didn't hear any of the delusional Trump lemmings whining about "The Rules".

Obviously, for the umpteenth time, Trump (and the blind sheep that follow his clown act) only whine about "the rules" when it doesn't benefit them.

 

the issue is legitimacy in one case there was a vote which made it as easy as possible for people to participate in the other a process which made it as hard as possible to participate.

 

When voters get to decide it is not disenfranchisement. When voters don't get to decide - it is disenfranchisement.

NY - the rules let voters decide (it's actually 50% in each of 27 congressiongal districts). this is no disenfranchisement by any standard
CO - the rules let the establishment decide, there is no vote, not even a straw poll. This is classic disenfranchisement
LA - the rules let the voters decide but then award substantially bigger number of delegates to the runner-up establishment candidate

Sorry but this "Disenfranchisement is disenfranchisement" of yours is simplistic nonsense. Learn the definition of the term "disenfranchisement" first.

 

This very post is hypocrisy. When Trump complained about Colorado disenfranchising the voters, the left was quick to quote the rules and completely ignore the disenfranchised voters and the concept of We The People choosing our candidate. Now, when Trump demonstrates compliance with those rules, he is the problem. This is lefty hypocrisy.

 

He has been very upfront about this:

Trump: I only complain about the system being rigged in states where I have difficulty

A perfect example of why it can be hard to dislike Trump. There’s a certain integrity in that.

“Our Republican system is absolutely rigged. It’s a phony deal,” he said, accusing party leaders of maneuvering to cut his supporters out of the process. “They wanted to keep people out. This is a dirty trick.”…

Asked about the appearance of disorganization, Mr. Trump said in an interview, “You have to remember I’m leading.” He added, “I’m more than 200 delegates ahead, so over all, I’m doing very well.”

But in what sounded like a wink-wink aside, he said, “Don’t forget, I only complain about the ones where we have difficulty.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/13/u...-losing-ground-tries-to-blame-the-system.html

 

Trump knew the rules. He choose not to invest in a ground game or to have people on the ground that could could have earned him delegates there. Trump decided to run his campaign on free air time. Colorado is a result of that decision.

 

we would be hard pressed to find any adult human walking on this planet who is NOT a hypocrite.

 

Trump is competing for votes and appealing to the voters. Cruz is competing for the establishment's favors and unelected delegates, at least in Colorado. Why is the difference between competing for votes in NY and cozying up to the ruling elites in CO so difficult to grasp?

 

They chose not to vote in Colorado. All you have to do is go to the party Precinct headquarters and you get to vote. You don't go and you don't get to vote. No one compelled anyone to stay home.

 

This is not a primary vote. There are 4 layers of separation between voters and delegates. Voters vote for delegates who then vote for delegates who then vote for delegates who go to the convention and vote for whoever candidate kisses the establishement behinds best.

The fact that you'd be absolutely unable to quantify even approximately what percentage of Colorado republicans prefer Cruz, Trump or Kasich shows beyond any doubt that the process is unAmerican, unDemocratic and totalitarian. The ruling elites get to decide who they want to nominate and you try to justify that? Duh

 

Of course there are four layers doesn't change a damn thing. Each congressional district votes. Delegate electors from each of those districts are chosen and the same thing then happens at each level. Was it rigged when the same or a very similar system was used in Kentucky where Trump one. Trump got out worked and out hustled and deservedly lost. He put out no effort and got as a result no delegates.

 

In Kentucky Trump got 35% of the vote, Cruz got 32% and so forth. Can you please give me the Colorado numbers? TIA

4 rounds of voting and the final delegates chose to unanimiously support Cruz not because the Colorado voters were unanimous or even like 50% in Cruz's favor. After all those rounds of meaningless voting, the establishment delegates decided to support the establishment candidate.

 

But where were your complaints when trump got thirty-five per cent of the vote in Florida and all of the Delegates? Trump has averaged 35% of the vote but has 42% of the delegates, but I don't hear any of the trumpsters complaining about how unfair that is.

 

The rules in Florida let the voters decide
The rules in Kentucky let the voters decide
The rules in Colorado ignored the voters altogether, the party elites got to decide

Seriously dude, you should be able to see the difference between candidates appealing to voters and competing for votes in Florida and Kentucky and candidates competing for the benevolence of a handful of party royalty in Colorado.

There was no campaigning in Colorado, none whatsoever because the voters were made irrelevant by the party bosses. It's as simple as that

 

Nonsense the voters decided every bit as much in Colorado as they did in Kentucky or Iowa or other Caucus state. Trump got beat because he didn't bother to put out the effort. Deal with it. By the way 65% of the voters in Florida wanted somebody else so knock off the sour grapes, already. Your whine-a-thon is just depressing.

 

Here is an interesting article to reinforce what you say:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trumps-right-that-the-gop-primary-is-unfair-it-favors-him/

 

63% of all Republicans want someone else other than Trump. So far Trump has received just 37% of the total GOP vote. Here is an interesting article from Nate Silver and his 538 folks. Trump Is The Weakest GOP Front-Runner In The Modern Era:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-the-weakest-gop-front-runner-in-the-modern-era/

 

Voters decided nothing in Colorado. They did not vote for the candidates and they did not directly vote for the delegates who will attend the convention. No one in the world knows what percentage of Colorado republicans support which candidate. There's been absolutely no campaigning in Colorado (despite the importance of each delegate) because voters have been rendered irrelevant by the establishment.

The difference between rules letting voters cast their ballots in Florida and rules letting a handful of party apparatchiks choose delegates from among themselves and support the establishment candidate should be obvious to a newborn.

Well, in all fairness Americans get it. Trump got a substantial bounce out of Colorado voter disenfranchisement and his point that he wins over voters while Cruz wins the establishment and is successful when voters are sidelined clearly resonates with the majority of the country.

 

If you don't know who voted for whom how do you know the vters were disenfranchised? Answer is obvious you don't but whining after the fact is always easier than fighting the battle.