Trump is tearing our country apart

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  1. Fisherguy

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    Trump is infinitely more dangerous to this country, than ISIS. Compared to Donnie, ISIS is a high school prank.
     
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    Four leftist activist judges and again no one from the DOJ was there to defend it

    Actually its 16 but again liberal

    McCain and Graham yes but who cares about those losers. Y saw nothing from the other 2

    A million people from the entire world is a pretty sad total
     
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    That is an hysterically funny post.
     
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    Oh well, lawyers sue. It's what they do. Remember when....

    http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...le-21-states-file-suit-against-administration

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/s...l-file-lawsuit-against-obamacare-mandate-in-w

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...obama-administration-over-bathroom-directive/
     
  5. Sandy Shanks

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    Trump continues to divide our nation. At a prayer breakfast Trump declared. "The world is in trouble, but we're going to straighten it out. OK? That's what I do. I fix things. We're going to straighten it out." Most assumed that kind of thinking meant that he was going to straighten out our enemies. Nope, he wishes to straighten out our allies and close friends.

    Previously, the executive orders he signed Friday instituting a Muslim ban on seven sovereign nations angered the leaders of the U.K., Germany, and France while threatening his visit to the U.K. Earlier than that he has said NATO is obsolete and he is encouraging the breakup of the E.U.

    All of that has to be pleasing to Putin, who everyone else but Trump thinks is an enemy. Russia certainly has provided no incentive ... other than kind words to Trump ... that she is America's friend. The very opposite is true, including her aggression in the Ukraine, annexation of Crimea, and she is an ally of Syria and Iran.

    But Trump was not through angering our friends. Last week President Nieto of Mexico flatly stated that Mexico wasn't going to pay for Trump's wall, and he cancelled a meeting with Trump. Friday's call to Nieto was intended to patch things up between the new president and his ally. However, Trump told the proud Mexican President, "You have a bunch of bad hombres down there. You aren't doing enough to stop them. I think your military is scared. Our military isn't, so I just might send them down to take care of it." Unbelievable, truly unbelievable.

    Trump still was not through angering an ally. Australia is, or was, a powerful American ally who has stood by American soldiers in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War, Afghanistan, and Iraq. On Saturday Trump phoned the Australian P.M., Malcolm Turnball. It should have been one of the most congenial calls for the new commander in chief — a conversation with the leader of Australia, one of America’s staunchest allies.

    Instead, Trump turned the call into an unmitigated disaster. He blasted Turnbull over a refu(*)gee agreement and boasted about the magnitude of his electoral college win, according to senior U.S. officials briefed on the Saturday exchange. He complained that he was “going to get killed” politically and accused Australia of seeking to export the “next Boston bombers.” Then, 25 minutes into what was expected to be an hour-long call, Trump abruptly ended it.

    In the wake of Obama's sanctions against Russian intelligence services for interfering in our elections, the Trump administration eased sanctions against companies doing business with Russia's domestic intelligence agency.
     
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    I think you need to take a step back and be introspective, think much more deeply about things. I supported Obama twice and then supported Trump. The reason as to why i supported Trump after backing Obama, contradicts all your points and should put things in a better perspective for you.

    So, first and foremost, let's talk about the division in our Country. It has mostly to do with a very hard lined, extreme progressive/liberal movement which was threatening to tear this Country apart and ruin it. This is precisely why Trump won, let me provide some bullet points.

    1. Pandering to racist liberal divisive groups like BLM. This group should've been squashed and discredited as soon as it started spewing lies and demonizing cops. It all started with Ferguson, where violent and racist blacks pushed the 'institutional racism' narrative without facts being known. The liberal media joined these racist, divisive thugs and a whole vicious, racist, violent movement was born. It all started with LIES, LIES which have been utterly proven to be lies. After the facts were studied and all witnesses interviewed, the investigation of the Ferguson case showed no evidence of racism but more evidence of a THUG who acted violently towards the cop. The BLM movement turned into one of the most racist and vile movements we have ever seen, where blacks started painting a picture of all bad cops being bad, racists, cops who risk their f lives for pennies and actually protect black people more than they harm them. This movement resulted in police ambushes and it ended in Charlotte, NC where a black man was shot by a black officer after being told to drop his gun 14 times. The wife lied about her husband not owing a gun, lied about other things and what did blacks do? blame it on evil cops and racism... well, it blew up on their face and BLM pretty much DIED.. notice how media now doesn't want to cover this racist, violent thuggish group anymore, the truth is out.

    2. Liberals and young people wanting free stuff. More and more these youngsters have been coming out of college supporting socialists like Bernie. This f Country is going to turn communist one day if this f sh&t continues! 20 years ago a guy like Bernie would've had NO CHANCE and he almost won! I like Bernie, he is a good guy but terribly misguided. The anti-rich, anti-big banks 'free everything' is typical of communists! I don't know what is going on in our colleges but they are doing something wrong when so many young kids don't appreciate the value of working, earning a living instead of wanting free stuff..

    3. Liberal demonizing of the rich. Here;s a fact, the rich people are the BEST of the U.S.A.. for every bad rich person, there are 20 bad poor people so i never understand the rationale Bernie democrats use when they depict all the rich as bad and the poor as 'good', really? Secondly, most of the rich people MADE their money, with sweat, working long hours and demonizing them is communism! I know many rich people who started their companies by taking massive risks, working 24/7 and creating wealth, which includes hiring people. Bill Gates? Steve jobs? Mark Cuban? all made their wealth by working VERY VERY VERY HARD and they employed thousands of people. These people should be rewarded, not demonized.

    4. identity politics. People have become SICK AND TIRED of how liberals try to argue every issue by making it a rich vs poor, black vs white issue. They label every republican a racist, bigot and avoid debating the issues by changing the arguments to topics of racism and inequality.

    5. Suppression of free speech. Well before Trump became a candidate, far left has been suppression free speech for years, threatening anyone who has a different point of view and resorting to violent riots all the time. Can anyone remember a riot organized by far right? it's 100% extremist leftists. Just look at what we saw last nigh at UC Berkley.

    6. Reverse racism. This is something few talk about but i have seen a rise in this. Blacks have enjoyed tremendous progress over the years, today black people have more freedoms and more opportunities than ever before, even as recent as 1980s! and let's not even talk about 60s or earlier. Who made all of this possible for them? WHITE people. After all, given blacks have always been a minority, how could've they made so much progress without white people supporting it? Instead of understanding this and being more appreciative, there has been this very quiet, yet visible reverse racist movement. i'm tired of turning on the TV to hear some black racist activist condemning cops for being racists, calling for blacks to boycott white businesses, blaming racism on what is happening in inner cities, in effect, blaming whites for their problems.

    7. Pandering to illegal immigrants. Bernie Sanders and Hilary Clinton both vowed to not deport any illegal immigrant, what a disgrace. This disrespect for the law, disregard for national security in the name of votes, alienated many.


    This and more is why Trump won..... people were sick of of all of this. The division you refer to is just WHINING, CRYING from the left who liked the path this Country was on, a path to division (identity politics), socialism/communism, open borders, white oppression, freedom of speech suppression etc... Trump ran on putting an end to all this gibberish.
     
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    It is the MSM and Democratic Party that is TRYING to tear the country apart. They will fail and increasingly be recognized as just anti-social, anti-American, malcontent trouble-making losers.
     
  8. JakeJ

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    Portland is run by white Democrats who are fanatical about starving out and running off non-whites.

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    He has not violated the Constitution, nor is violating the Constitution or federal courts an impeachable offense anyway.
     
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    Senate Democratic leader Schumer made it very clear that Democratic officials will submissively do anything the war industry and government insiders tell them to do - out of fear.

    In the election, Republicans were essentially told that must vote for Jeb Bush. They totally rejected him. But the DNC did succeed in forcing Democrats to take Clinton.

    The point of your message is that President Trump so do what any and all Republican politicians want him to do.

    Here is the facts:

    McCain LOST. Graham was stomped. Both during the election and since those two have been the strongest allies the Democratic Party has. They should make Lindsey Graham chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

    McConnell and Ryan wouldn't even try to be president. Trump promised he would impose a ban dozens of times and that he would take actions concerning terrorism without given them advance notice. He was nominated by Republicans and won the general election - and you - claiming to be a "moderate Republican" DEMAND that Trump break all his promises and just be another lying insider politician.

    Your RINO Republican "moderates" not only lost the primary, they got STOMPED. The ONLY challenge to Trump was from his right in Cruz, not his left from milk-toast status quo kiss-ass moderates.
     
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    Trumps real challenge in getting things done will not come from Democrats in Congress, but from status quo insider neocon Republicans in Congress who are for hire by the highest bidder - the exact same people who buy the Democrat politicians.
     
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    Unbelievable naivete.Ever heard of the Tea Party.The only difference being is
    that the Left is comprised of Brats and Commies and Radicals.
    The Left throws hissy fits as they Lie,name-call and level threats.
    The Tea Party does NONE of that.They act civilized at all times,Never
    Protest but rather have Rally's and mildly plug their cause.
    The left or democrats have lost over 1,ooo government seats nationwide.
    ALL w/o a single act of violent Protests by the Right.
    You couldn't be more clueless.
     
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    Which is exactly what Rush Limbaugh says. The majority of Trump voters liked him because he was going to fight the establishment logrolling that was done by both sides.
     
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    Is Trump tearing us apart or are we doing it to ourselves? Is it just a portion of American society who refuses so far to accept the fact Trump won that is tearing us apart? Had Clinton won, wouldn't there still be protests, demonstrations, by Trump supporters against her as there are now protests and demonstrations by Clinton supporters against Trump? Has this country reached a point in time where one side or the other won't accept the results of an election, where perhaps peaceful transition of power is fast becoming a thing of the past?

    If as Gallup poll states, 85% of Americans have accept Trump as president and as being legitimate, is this division you speak of in reality just 15% against 85%? I don't know. But I do think we are causing a lot of our problems ourselves.

    I do believe regardless of who won, the winner would have one heck of a time governing. Basically because regardless of who won, the winner would be view by around 60% of Americans in a negative light. Let's face it, we have a president a majority of Americans didn't want, but if Clinton had won, the same would be true about her. Gallup had a poll which stated 25% of Americans wanted neither, they disliked both pretty much equally. Republicans disliked Clinton, Democrats disliked Trump and independents pretty much disliked both.

    But I suppose this was expected, the divisiveness. Such is the direct results of such a negative campaign. Because of the very poor choices the two major parties gave us, we have what we have and we must live with it.
     
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    Trump already is backing down from his screwball orders. There are 500,000 green card holders from the seven Muslim countries. The Department of Homeland Security said it would no longer bar green-card holders from those countries from entering the United States. Trump administration allowed 872 refugees into U.S. this week.
     
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    It sounds like you're in need of some play dough and a cry room. You lost the election. Get over it.
     
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    That is apparently their plan, if you look at it narrowly. But I've posted about this often: It's reverse propaganda. When Hillary/John came out and said this, it was in ISIS interest to reiterate it, for the purpose of discrediting the President, dividing Americans and lowering our security. In other words, Sandy is falling for ISIS propaganda, and so are American officials.
     
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    That may be your opinion, however its not the opinion of numerous attorney's and politicians. Who knows? Maybe you'll be right and they'll be wrong, either way we shall find out over the next year what transpires won't we??
     
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    It's the overreaction to this oaf that concerns me. Why are people so hysterical about him?
     
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    Honestly, knowing me, I would have supported Hillary Clinton as President. Not that she(or Trump) was the first or second choice. My second choice was Marco Rubio, my first choice was Rand Paul. I'm a believer in a strong national defense, along with a robust economy for the future of the United States.

    But because I'm an American First, I will stand by my country/government, right or wrong(provided those wrongs are "political" wrongs and not human right wrongs of course.) So even if Trump is a bafoon, but that's legal bafoonery, I'm going to say "let him ride out his term", because all of this? This can do nothing but harm our country.
     
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    Quote the Constitution. "High crimes and misdemeanors." Defying a court order or not following the Constitution is neither.

    The only president to defy the Supreme Court was Andrew Jackson. He was not impeached. His face is even on our currency.

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    Because most really are "oafs." :smile:
     
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    There would not be riots and destruction of property and they would not be ever day over every thing. There was no one we feared and despised more than Obama and we remained civil in through that disaster . Could Hillary have been even worse ?
     
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    Point 1: Far more Americans voted for Hillary than voted for trump. trump has NO mandate. None at all. He is a fool, nothing more.

    Point 2: Democrats lost the election mainly for these two reasons: First, Hillary was a horrible candidate. And, second, a huge number of voters simply stayed home because most sane Americans believed voters could not possibly be stupid enough to elect trump.

    trump is a joke. Sadly he did win, and now he and his staff of One Percenters are busy trashing America and our foreign policy. History will see this presidency as representing America’s darkest days.
     
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    I'm still trying to get a handle on Trump. I still don't know how to take him. He certainly doesn't act presidential in the normal sense. I was against both Trump and Clinton from the get go and my vote for Johnson showed my disdain for both candidates. Mine and close to 8 million other Americans which refused to choose between two evils.

    Now I am willing to give him a chance. Trump hasn't been president but around 2 weeks, not enough time to get a good feel on how he will govern. My first choice was Jim Webb, then John Kasich although Rubio would have been great. Rand Paul, I sure would have voted for him over Clinton, any of the GOP candidates other than Trump would have gotten my vote vs. Clinton. The same for any other Democratic candidate, announced or not against Trump. Such was how much I detested the idea of either Trump or Clinton becoming President.

    But I do think Trump deserves a chance, that it is much too early to praise or condemn him. Partisanship, party loyalty, has in my opinion went way to far for the good of this country. This putting political party above country has to stop. If not, this country will be ungovernable by anyone who becomes president. Be for something because it is good for the country and not just because it was an idea from your political party, be against something because it is bad for the country, not just because someone from the other party introduced it.

    That is my philosophy anyway. Each issue one by one and making my mind up on each issue by myself, not having a political party making up my mind for me.
     
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    In my opinion, yes Clinton could have been worst than Obama. Although PPP had a poll out where 52% of Americans state they would rather have Obama president than Trump, while 43% are glad Trump is president. It breaks down, Democrats wish Obama was still president by a 82-15 margin, Republicans want Trump over Obama by a 83-15 margin. That is a very partisan breakdown. More or less my guy is always right and yours always wrong type of thing. So like I usually do, I toss those figures out and look at independents. By a 47-43 margin, independents wish Obama was still president. Pretty much split evenly. But when one looks at how independents voted in the last election, 46-42 Trump holding the edge among them. This closely matches their decision on whom they voted for.

    The thing is Trump is still an unknown quality. For independent how much of their decision is wishing for a known commodity over an unknown commodity, is unknown and not addressed. But people tend to be happy with what they are familiar with and don't particularly like change. The thing is Trump so far hasn't won over those folks in the middle, but then neither did Obama nor Clinton when she ran.
     
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    On the Democratic side, Jim Webb was heads and tails above the rest. But seeing BLM basically invade the DNC and kick Bernie off the stage of one of his rallies, should tell you all you need to know about the party of nihilism. A very, very distant second would be Bernie Sanders because "WTF do we have to lose at this point?" but never Hillary lol.
     

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