Trump Pressed Justice Dept. to Declare Election Results Corrupt, Notes Show

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    All roads declaring there are 'integrity' problems with the election, lead back to Trump.

    All elections have irregularities. Trump knew that if he could undermine confidence in the election, especially at the state level, he could pressure many of them, particularly those in the swing states, to set aside Biden's win and replace Biden's electors with that of his own. He knew that, since the average joe isn't aware of such irregularities, he could trump them up to 'prove' that the election was a fraud, and he could use that, plus pressure from the public he has bamboozled, to alter the outcomes in the swing states.

    So all of these new laws being proposed in many red states to restrict voter access, arise from Trump's shaking confidence in the vote.

    Constantly we hear republican senators in these states say something, 'we need these laws in order to restore public confidence'.

    But who destroyed that public confidence? Donald Trump. And to whom are we 'restoring confidence'? Certainly not democrats, y'all are doing the opposite, with us, you are undermining confidence in democracy, and there are more of us ( who voted for a Democrat) than there are of you.

    As one capitol police officer raised the question that needs to be asked, using a metaphor where 1/6 was a 'hit job', "Who gave the order to the hit man?".

    That is the elephant in the room, and it's not going anywhere and Republicans need to own up to it, that it's no other than one Donald J. Trump.

    What was the sentiment spoken on the lips of the 1/6ers?

    "Stop The Steal".

    It became the mantra that drove the juggernaut that was Jan 6. Where did they get that idea?

    Donald Trump.

    Were they angry?

    Yes, they were mad as hell and they tore up the place, injured 140, and several people died as the result. That anger, installed in the hearts and minds of Trump's base, was the juggernaut, the prime mover that resulted in 1/6.

    But for Donald Trump, there would be no 1/6, those who were injured wouldn't have been injured, and those who died would still be alive. That conclusion is inescapable, irrefutable. This idea that Trump bears no responsibility for 1/6 is preposterous, it's absurd. HIs flock was driven by the anger that 'Democrats stole the election'. Who told them that?

    Donald Trump.

    Was it just that one speech on 1/6 that did it?

    NO! Trump has been telling his base that Democrats stole the election for MONTHS -- long before the first ballot was cast. That anger has been building up like a volcano, and it erupted on 1/6, where Trump, Giuliani, etc., "Trial By Combat', whipped up his flock into a frenzy that was the 1/6 juggernaut. Repubs keep arguing 'he has 1st amendment rights' asserting that his speech on 1/6 isn't culpable for 1/6. But that is not the argument, it's his actions over many months up to and including 1/6, NOT just the speech on 1/6, when those actions are taken as a whole, the pattern of which leads to 1/6, and that conclusion is irrefutable. You think you counter argue this point? Go ahead, try. No counter argument I've heard is even remotely compelling, but you can try. I'll listen. But, I've yet to hear a compelling argument in defense of Trump. NO Trump is responsible.

    I mean, it's as plain as day, how can republicans not see this? Why are you guys denying it? How can you possibly deny it when the evidence is OVERWHELMING!

    Both McConnell and McCarthy stated, on the senate floor, that Trump was responsible.

    The strategy was to 'get Mike Pence' in order to 'Stop The Steal'.

    In other words, stop congress from certifying all of the state's votes. Republicans, contributed to that end by a master plan to object to state's in key states, and their objective was to cast enough doubt in the process that the certification would be set back a few weeks, IN ORDER TO GIVE KEY STATES MORE TIME TO REEXAMINE THE OUTCOME OF THE VOTES, votes that had already withstood recounts and audits, but that wasn't enough for those republicans, they were hoping to alter the outcome of the vote.

    That was the master plan.

    However, a funny thing happened on the way to the forum (sorry, Sondheim :) )

    Biden won.

    And, he won fair and square. Even the incompetent 'audit' in AZ didn't find more than four prosecutable cases of fraud, AND TWO OF THEM WERE REPUBLICANS.

    Hell, Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick offers $1 million reward for evidence of voter fraud. Did anyone claim the reward? Actually, one guy did, Pennsylvania Lt. Gov. Fetterman offered up two cases where convictions were made, outright fraud just as the reward stated, but, guess what, THE FRAUDSTERS WERE REPUBLICANS. Did Patrick grant the award? No, he only gives rewards for democrat fraudsters, not republican fraudsters, as it turned out. The salient fact is NOT ONE PERSON, with all these claims of fraud coming from the right, has come forward to claim the reward. Not one.
    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/po...Gov-Dan-Patrick-offers-1-million-15716973.php

    Give it up, republicans, it is time for y'all to admit your side lost, and put an end to this insanity, noting that the degree of this insanity with 'forensic audits' ( hardly, they are a joke) for the good of the nation. That's what all prior presidents did. That is what Gore did, that is what Hillary did, and all prior presidents, rather than run the nation through the grinder out of selfishness, they conceded for the good of the nation. Gore could have kept on, like Trump is doing, but he didn't.

    All you guys are doing is showing the world you are the biggest losers in the world.

    Oh, you are quick to remind us that 'Well, you guys accused Trump of not being legitimate'.

    Some did, but what we didn't do is what you guys are doing now, and that is creating more restrictive ballot access laws, former president calling up state election officials 'looking for votes', incessantly asserting that the opposition stole the vote to such a degree as to get 'forensic audits' ( especially by incompetent firms who have never had any election experience ). Etc etc etc.

    No, we didn't do that, You guys are doing it. And it is the first time in history that it is being done. Republicans are putting America through a veritable ringer with these antics.

    And a few of your opinion leaders are a real trip. Take Mike Lindell, he demanded, on TV, for Biden and Harris to resign so that Trump would regain the presidency. Sorry pillow guy, even if they did do that, the Constitution says the next person in line for the presidency is Pelosi. Such a fool was he, that, well, "President Pelosi" is now a hashtag on Twitter.

    And now, Lindell has pulled his ads from Tucker Carlson's show on Fox, which is one third of the revenue for that show.

    It's time for Trump and his base to stop this insanity, and let America heal from the damage Trump has done.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/us/politics/trump-justice-department-election.html

    President Donald J. Trump pressed top Justice Department officials late last year to declare that the election was corrupt even though they had found no instances of widespread fraud, so that he and his allies in Congress could use the assertion to try to overturn the results, according to new documents provided to lawmakers and obtained by The New York Times.

    The demands were an extraordinary instance of a president interfering with an agency that is typically more independent from the White House to advance his personal agenda. They are also the latest example of Mr. Trump’s wide-ranging campaign during his final weeks in office to delegitimize the election results.

    The exchange unfolded during a phone call on Dec. 27 in which Mr. Trump pressed the acting attorney general at the time, Jeffrey A. Rosen, and his deputy, Richard P. Donoghue, on voter fraud claims that the department had disproved. Mr. Donoghue warned that the department had no power to change the outcome of the election. Mr. Trump replied that he did not expect that, according to notes Mr. Donoghue took memorializing the conversation.

    “Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me” and to congressional allies, Mr. Donoghue wrote in summarizing Mr. Trump’s response.
     
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