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How many decades before you can provide some evidence that this is happening?

 

Progressives always deny something is happening, until it is so obvious it can't be denied any longer, and then at that point just say "So what?"

This pattern has repeated in time with many things.

 

The CATO doc does include that the quotes are from the debate that took place in forming the 14th amendment citizenship section, right?

So, what is your point?

 

If it is the same thing discussed, that one thing would have been sufficient to scuttle the entire bill as unconstitutional.

 

That doesn't follow from my post.

And, your statement here is also totally false.

 

I'm sorry that the request for evidence upsets you. I will not retract it. I like basing my positions on evidence. I'm sorry that upsets you.

 

Can you provide evidence to the contrary?

 

You are asking me for evidence for a negation. But I'm glad we can agree that your side is completely full of **** and can't provide any evidence for their batshit insane claims! Finally we agree on something.

 

This should be put in stone. Maybe some here will finally agree with it...... or maybe not.

 

I'm confused. Are you saying misdemeanors are not criminal??

 

It is not a crime to be in the USA without documentation.

And, that is the way YOU should want it.

 

Yes. It is a civil misdemeanor to be in the USA without documentation.

This is important. NOBODY should want being here without papers to be a criminal offense.

 

There is documentation, and then there is documentation.

 

I don't think there is any such thing as a "civil misdemeanor."

 

Citizens or subjects of foreign states are subject to US law when in the USA, unless they have special standing - such as ambassadors and consuls accredited to the US.

Foreign ambassadors and consuls accredited to the US are NOT subject to US law. If they commit an offense, the most we can do is ask them to leave. We might also discuss the offense with the foreign country, with the intent of finding justice, but that's a separate issue.

Yes, children born in consulates or to those not subject to US law do not become US citizens.

It's like embassies, consulates, etc. are pieces of the foreign country, and those foreign representatives accredited to the US are like walking, talking pieces of the foreign country - not subject to US law.

 

By documentation, I mean any of the various papers showing that the individual has a right to be in the USA at the time.

 

Some call it a civil infraction.

The bottom line is that being here without documentation is not a crime.

Does Trump want to make that a crime? If so, that is unbelievably stupid. I doubt he's really that stupid.

 

Many of the illegals can eventually get citizenship after a long time, and everyone knows their (many) children tend to vote a certain way.

So I would say the claim is obviously correct.

Yet, you are attempt to deny it and gaslight us.
But maybe you believed he was only referring to illegals illegally voting, which also happens, but is a different subject. Shall I presume that is only what all you were talking about?

 

The claim was that illegals are voting and voting democrat. You are gaslighting. You have no evidence that this is happening and neither do any of your allies.

 

The thing with how the voting system is set up in many states, it's very difficult for anyone to determine the actual identities of the people voting.

We do know that Democrats in many areas have inculcated a sense of entitlement to vote in illegals.
Do you deny that?

 

Where is your evidence that it is somehow easy in any way to vote as an illegal immigrant in any of these states? I'll ask you for evidence again. You will run and hide again.

 

Are you being serious? It's not that difficult for anyone find a way to illegally vote twice. There are several strategies. Steal someone else's ballot, maybe an elderly person who is vulnerable.

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How, exactly, did Buddy register to vote? It was easy. Buddy's owner told KOB Eyewitness News 4 in Albuquerque that he was walking past a booth registering voters at the University of New Mexico, and decided to see how hard it would be to use phony information to register. "I made up a birth date [for Buddy], and I made up a social security number," the man, who requested anonymity, told the TV station, "and I had a voter registration card in my hand for Buddy two weeks later." Perhaps a better question is, why? The man, a registered Republican, said he wanted to demonstrate how easy it is to commit voter fraud: "Somebody should have verified this information" and taken a look at exactly who (or what) was registering.​

 

Getting a voter registration form in the mail does not mean you voted, kiddo.

 

First, if someone is here without documentation, the steps they would have to take to get papers just allowing them inside the country are major. From there, they would have to try again, the LEGAL way this time. Do you have ANY idea how hard this is?

If someone doesn't have special circumstances, they would need to apply through the "diversity program" just to get in. And, this year there are ZERO slots for DIV applicants coming from the North American continent.

Second, you're solidly insulting the Republican party.

Those here from south of our border tend to be socially conservative Catholics.

And, YOU are suggesting that Republicans can't possibly appeal to these people.

WHY??

 

Because its part of the ratification debate on the 14th amendment. Particularly the discussion there had turned to the effect of the citizenship clause in the 14th amendment, and the fact that if worded the way it was eventually passed it would grant birthright citizenship to those not legally present, in this case using the chinese as a reference (see chinese exclusion acts).