Trump runs away with double-digit lead over Biden, new general election poll finds

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Was things better under Trump or Biden?

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  1. Joe knows

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    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-crushing-biden-double-digits-new-general-election-poll-finds

    was the economy better under Trump? I would argue yes. Inflation wasn’t soaring, interest rates were lower, he lowered my taxes, his tax code has created record receipts, he renegotiated NAFTA for our benefit,

    was foreign relations better under Trump, I would argue yes. North Korea stopped testing missiles, Russia stopped attacking Ukraine, Syria stopped gassing their own citizens, he killed a hostile general from Iran, he had Iran so scared of him they shot down their own airliner, he encouraged fair trade.

    I can’t think of anything Biden has outperformed him on unless you think a constitutional power grab to give money to college debt holders against the will of the purse and the judicial an accomplishment.

    I figured I would add a poll that asks you if you think things were better under Trump or Biden. You can explain your position if you wish.
     
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    I was at a bar last night and overheard plenty of political talk and this is in Colorado. I think these polls may very well be the case. Manipulated polls don’t do anything anyway, why manipulate them? That article was about the 2016 election. The one where all the polls showed Hillary winning.
     
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    why manipulate them? so people start threads with titles like this....

    you do have to be careful though, you do not want to make it look like your candidate has it in the bag, or people might not go out to vote, like happened to Clinton - Hillary really only lost by a few thousand votes in key States, even though she got millions more votes
     
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    In my experience the only Biden supporters are those
    who save time and thinking by always voting blue.

    And the media are owned by the American Oligarchs
    so support who ever is the most corrupt and brings
    them the most money.

    So they support Biden's war in Ukraine. The public
    buys the weapons, Ukrainians get killed, and the
    weapons makers get huge profits.

    If Biden gets booted out the war stops and our oligarchs
    get less money, that's why the media, owned by the
    oligarchs, refuses to tell the public what is actually going
    on in Ukraine.
     
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    More people voted in the 2016 election than any election prior so your logic is flawed. Hillary lost because she’s a horrible candidate. She couldn’t even pickup a phone while our ambassador was being murdered.
     
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    yet it was the billionaire Trump that raised the debt in 4 years, more than any other President had in 4 years ever
     
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    Many Bernie voters decided not to thought, thought no way Trump could win and did not bother getting out to vote

    Trump said our dead vets were losers and suckers, attacked war heroes and gold star families
     
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    They wouldn’t have flipped the vote, it wasn’t that close and that’s why she was throwing phones and a temper tantrum. She lost, just like Trump did in 2020
     
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    we will never know....
     
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    We do know. They obviously didn’t think she worth voting for or they would have
     
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    that is not what you said, you said had they voted for her it would not of been enough - we will never know if that is true or not
     
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    1) The President has little control over inflation.

    2) Under Trump, we added $8.2 Trillion to our National Debt-- in four years! I guess you don't care about such things, as balancing our Budget? Like Republicans in the Freedom Caucus, who voted for that massive expansion of Debt-- you only care about it, when a Democrat is in the White House?

    https://www.usatoday.com/money/blueprint/banking/national-debt-by-president/


    These totals are adjusted to reflect the budgets signed by each President; that is, each President's first year they generally have no control over the budget, signed by their predecessor.

    While there were some Covid costs during Trump's time in office, this does not nearly account for all of the Debt. Also, there were some Pandemic costs for Biden as well, and yet he has added far less government debt.


    Joe Biden: 2+ years; $1.84 Trillion

    Donald Trump: 4 years; $8.2 Trillion

    Barack Obama: 8 years; $8.34 Trillion

    George W. Bush: 8 years; $6.1 Trillion

    Bill Clinton: 8 years; $1.4 Trillion

    George H.W. Bush: 4 years; $1.55 Trillion

    Ronald Reagan: 8 years; $1.86 Trillion



    3) <Snip from your link>

    "The sizable margin of Trump’s lead in this survey is
    significantly at odds with other public polls that show the general election contest a virtual dead heat," the Post wrote Sunday. "The difference between this poll and others, as well as the unusual makeup of Trump’s and Biden’s coalitions in this survey, suggest it is probably an outlier."
    <End>


    THREAD FAIL
     
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    The ABC News poll had it Trump 52%, Biden 42%. ABC News is on your side. Now ABC is catching flack for reporting it.

    I think is the way to put the skids under Biden, which you should supporting. I thought that you wanted to dump Biden.
     
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    doesn't mean their polls are secure and can not be manipulated

    some polls are so easy to manipulate, all you have to do is erase your cache and vote again
     
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