Trump said to lift all military restrictions on Israel on 1st day in office according to reports

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  1. bigfella

    bigfella Well-Known Member

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    The level of detachment from reality required to believe that is breathtaking. His supporters knew he would double down on supporting Israel & so did his opponents. Anyone else must have been on a different planet.
     
  2. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Completely untrue. The vast majority of military conflicts end in diplomacy, not complete defeat.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Harris was just as bad. There was no real choice for peace, as both parties are thoroughly owned by special interests that get rich off of war.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bwahahaha, literally none of what you posted is true.
     
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    What Harris was or was not going to do isn't at issue here. What Trump was clearly going to do is. EVERYBODY capable of rational thought knew he would back Israel to the hilt. It was only marginally less obvious than a sunrise. I would advise any person who is in any way surprised that he is doing this to seriously re-examine not only how they came to that conclusion, but how they come to conclusions more generally.

    As I said, it speaks to a serious detachment from reality.
     
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  6. Joe knows

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    Iran attacked Israel before Israel attacked them. Source for claim
    https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...s-that-led-to-irans-missile-attacks-on-israel

    Hezbollah attacked Israel before Israel attacked Hezbollah. Source follows:
    https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/9/18/hezbollah-and-israel-a-timeline-of-conflict

    Gaza attacked Israel before Israel attacked them. Source follows
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67039975.amp


    So now that I proved Israel is defending themselves and that claim was accurate. Let’s talk about who really wants to commit genocide. What do you think the phrase “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” means? Do Jews have a similar call of extinction? I didn’t think so.

    you can claim what you want but there is zero proof Israel started this particular conflict. There is in fact chants of ridding Israel. In fact “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” has been used since 2011 by Hamas to describe Israel’s forced exit. They have no desire for Jews to be there and Oct 7th is proof they are willing to kill women and children to make it happen. The retaliation is just in my opinion. How do you end threats when someone kicks you in the shin? You kick them in the nuts. If you treat threats with that attitude they won’t do it again.
     
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    I agree, which is why I did not vote for Trump or Harris. Still, I was hoping beyond hope that he would surprise me. That obviously isn't happening.
     
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    Since 2011? Lol, Likud, Netanyahu's party, has been saying it all belongs to Israel since 1977:

    "The original 1977 party platform stated that 'between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.'"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud

    And to think that Hamas "started" anything is absurd. This conflict has been going on for many decades, as you well know. Hezbollah and Iran help their allies, no differently than we had help from our allies in Iraq. There are no "good guys" or "bad guys" in this conflict. All sides are guilty of horrific actions, and nobody is in the right except those trying to bring aid to the suffering civilians in Gaza and a peaceful end to the war.
     
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    I never said that only complete defeat ends wars. I'm talking about superiority and possible complete defeat. Major shifts in the balance of power. The specter of complete defeat works pretty well, building highways for diplomacy.
     
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    It is a defensive war in that the best defense is a good offense. Israel has not been the aggressor and this one is very winnable. Israel is not bogged down by self interests and political desires as the U.S. has been. Trump just wants to release the dog and get it done!
     
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    Given Trump's legal problems and other issues, what more proof do you need that Zionist lobbies run US Foreign Policy?

    Naturally America's infestation of traitorous "Israel Firsters" can't wait can't wait for their AIPAC stooge to declare a "War on Islam For Greater Israel".

    It doesn't matter to these traitors how many more young American G.I.s soak distant sand with their blood as long as genocidal Zionists get their way.

    Who's going to be the first American "Israel Firster" to enlist in order to go die for Zionist genocide and Lebensraum?

    ANYBODY?


    - "Israel is pushing the US into war against Iran"
    http://between-the-lines-ludwig-wat...03/israel-is-pushing-us-into-war-against.html



    - "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Leads US President Trump to War with Iran"
    https://www.unz.com/jpetras/israeli...hu-leads-us-president-trump-to-war-with-iran/



    -"America Cannot Go to War for Israel"
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ahmed-moor/america-cannot-go-to-war-_b_682467.html



    - "Lobbyist Says Israel Should Create A 'False Flag' To Start A War With Iran"
    https://www.businessinsider.com/top...-with-iran-sink-sub-illicit-false-flag-2012-9



    - "Netanyahu Is Meeting Trump To Push For War With Iran"
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/netanyahu-trump-war-with-iran_us_59bfc6e6e4b086432b089840



    - "Neocon Pundit: The Israel Lobby Wants War With Iran"
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/neocon-pundit-the-israel-lobby-wants-war-with-iran
     
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    Ending it quick is the most humane way for all. Netanyahu is not going to stop until Iran’s regime is dead. That will be good for the ME and the U.S. The Abraham Peace Accord will be activate again.
     
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    Well, war is always ugly. Israel has the most moral military and try their best to mitigate collateral. At this point Israel should just annex the west bank and Gaza.

    The USA and our other western allies should take in the Palestinian refugees and just keep an eye on them to make sure they do not get radicalized.
     
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    This is like saying we were committing genocide by dropping Nukes when we were literally putting an end to the threat that first attacked us. Like I say…. If they kick you in the shin you should always kick them in the nuts
     
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    Were you ever able to point out a thriving population of Jews, Christians, atheists, non-Muslims, gay people, or those critical of religion/government in the region surrounding Israel? It is obvious who is doing the cleansing and it’s not Israel.
     
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    oh? Where else in the Middle East have tens of thousands of innocents been killed in the last year? I must have missed it. Last I heard you had to go to Central Africa or the Ukraine to find anything comparable recently. Do show me where this horrific slaughter is happening?
     
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    ah, it’s only genocide when our adversaries do it, huh? Isn’t that convenient.
     
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    there is no slaughter. These people are being exploited by their own leadership for the purpose of winning the PR war against Israel. This is commonly known as Pallywood. Leaving Israel alone is the answer for peace.
     
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    You are obviously correct.........

    the leadership of the Palestinian Authority, Hamas and Hezbollah....... are some of the most corrupt autocrats anywhere on this earth.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...’-says-israeli-pundit.580974/#post-1072200832




     
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    What would the US do if the transport of gas and oil in and out of the US was physically stopped by another country?
     
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    Dont know what would happen to the people living there, we surely would not "take them in" here in the US, but Israel annexing the west bank and Gaza is probably the only solution to the problem for Israel. They have been slowly doing it anyways. Not that I agree with it, but what is now Israel is just one country really, be it Israel or Palestine, it cant be both at the same time. Just going to be endless conflict trying to have it both ways.
     
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    I do not have a problem bringing refugees to the USA. We can deradicalize and keep an eye on them.
     
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    If someone sucker punched you on the street, and a fight started, and you had the other guy on the ground nearly unconscious, and whipped out a cutting tool and lopped off a few of the guy's fingers, how do you think it would go for you in court?

    Or, if instead of cut his fingers off, you walked over to his car where his wife and kids were, and proceeded to beat the tar out of them too, how would it go?

    There is only one reason that Americans were not hung for crimes against humanity after WW2, and that is because they won the war and no one could touch them.

    America even has a law on the books that if any American is called to the ICC, it will be an act of war. America is a rogue nation supporting another rogue nation called Israel. https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/08/03/us-hague-invasion-act-becomes-law

    America is a shining city on a hill.....the hill is a Native American mass grave and the shine is of plunder.

    Israel is also a shining city on a hill....the hill is a Palestinian mass grave and the shine is of U.S. taxpayer's gold.

    Peas in a pod when it comes to genocide for $$$.

    The core reason I advocated Mango Mussolini over Cackling Kamala was because the Orange One would at least begin an end the war in Ukraine. But both are Israhell first AIPAC stooges.

    America and Israel have no right to exist because of their crimes, just like a man on a killing spree with knife in hand has no right to exist and gets gunned down by police. And now Trump has jumped into that same boat so you won't see me decrying any further attempts on his life. Nope. I will stay silent because its all we are allowed to do...even after he showed his support for assassination regarding Iranian general Soleimani.

    As this thread shows, no place is as full of murderous war and mass murder loving nutbags as the U.S.S.A., may it burn in Hell with Israhell at its side.
     
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    Honestly though . . . Have there been any restrictions or delays so far?

    What’ s next?

    “Donald Trump says French Fries will be sold in McDonalds on day one!”

    I think I agree with the eight-year-old Palestinian child, at least with Trump, she might get a quick death.

    Biden’s not up for election anytime soon. If he were anything but a son of Satan, he would be stopping Israel. But he gleefully murders toddlers and rapes boys.
     
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    ~ I am doubtful Trump will encourage more death and destruction. I believe he will stop funding both wars and force a settlement or truce.
     

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