Trump surrenders Syria to ISIS

I'm not a Trump supporter. You keep bringing up Putin as if that has any relevance to anything besides your ill will towards Russia and anyone who is implied to be sympathetic. The cold war ended a long time ago. All that happened in the region is that the status quo was maintained. We lost nothing besides some made up goals some on the republican side have decided to append just to continue the war. Besides that I honestly don't care what the middle east does beyond this point, what about our own hemisphere?. Our future involvement should be working with the existing governments including Russia to negotiate some kind of treaty, nothing more, and especially not doing undercover operations to initiate regime change. Militarily our job is done. Let the locals finish it. I get that Assad has done awful terrible things, but in pretty much every conceivable way having a stable government with him is better than constant conflict. Neither is it our job to topple every single authoritarian regime. Hypocrites would be the word I'm looking for here. Regime change never works as the unintended consequences are usually much much worse. I don't understand how we still have not learned this obvious fact. Plus Syria needs to deal with their own **** as this same stuff will keep happening with or without our involvement. I mean you are just completely avoiding middle eastern history.

ISIS was already defeated militarily, how is it even possible to use the word "surrender" here. There was never a war to surrender. Only either Assad or the rebels have the ability to "surrender". We simply realized we no longer wanted (not to mention it was an illegal occupation) to be there and left. Continuing to use words like surrender is not going to convince anyone nor is it relevant. Sure, ISIS (and other radicals) are always going to be there and always will be so in that way the "war" will never be over. It was never our goal to wipe them off the face of the earth. Not to mention that was Russia and Syria's goal as well. It's almost like we had conflicting goals. Fight Russia's influence and ISIS. Well, if that's true, it's a clear fact that being there is complete BS as there was no clear goal and no clear side.

So, it was our goal to defeat ISIS militarily (mission completed) as beyond that no one has the capability to do except for, possibly, the local peoples with the same culture. If we stay all we would do is cause more hatred. I mean at some point in this kind of conflict you have to take what you have and "peace out" as they say as otherwise you'll be there for virtually an eternity as is the case in Afghanistan.

We basically created the conflict by attempting to topple Assad, and then stayed there just to prolong the war for the sake of a made up proxy war with Russia? I mean, who is more evil, Assad or us?

 

Trump's cutting and running from Syria betrays US Kurdish allies, and makes Assad's allies Russia and Iran very happy.

With kindred spirits Assad and Trump making their nations the only pariahs from the global consensus on climate change, this could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

 

Honestly the only good argument for staying there, yet it's not enough. Sorry Kurds, but there are way too many conflicting interests as your enemy is apparently our ally. All I can hope is that it ends quickly.

 

Unilaterally cutting and running further underscore the realization of US allies that Trump cannot be trusted.

This ignominious exit was not the way to disengage.

 

True, but I'm still glad we left. Our allies should be happy our leaders don't have life terms then.
This whole situation is actually really creepy though. Real conspiracies happening. Were the saren gas attacks actually real? Surreal stuff. Just too many coincidences and too much support for a war that has nothing to do with us.

 

The neocon chicken hawks come out from under the rug

 

What a joke - demonization of the source. The source is the DIA - its a declassified document from the DIA that has been reported by literally hundreds of sources... with no DIA denial.

Regardless ... I gave numerous other sources including 10 senators (bipartisan) who have submitted the "Stop Arming Terrorists Act"

https://gabbard.house.gov/news/StopArmingTerrorists

So are you now going to claim that the 10 Senators sponsoring this bill are lying ? "fake news" ? ... or do you need to hear it directly from the Obama administration ?

 

The only lie in post 317 is the defacto claim that Assad used chemical weapons (Sarin).
The lie in the OP is the claim by Trump that we defeated ISIS ... it was Russia and the Syrian Army that defeated ISIS.

Why do you ask ? I was not referring to either the OP or your post - I was referring the the mainstream media coverage of the Syrian war in general.

The fact that you - nor the american people in general - have no clue that Obama was arming and supporting Al Qaeda and ISIS is proof of what a clown show our media is.

 

Your central premise--that the Syrians are having a civil war--is pure western propaganda. The reality is that the US is in Syria because we are advancing the Israeli goal of what they call "Greater Israel". Assad does not want to play the US and Israeli game, so we paid to stage your "civil war", along with its staged chemical attacks and the notorious White Helmets. Everything we and Israel have done there is military aggression.

It's really just that simple.

 

Neocon = evil warmonger, and everyone knows it.
Neocon pols are committing political suicide.

 

I said months ago Trump was dangerous. Recently, Trump has proven it.

In the past few months key advisors to Trump have been fired or quit, severely weakening the federal government. Included in this list of key personnel are the attorney general, the U.N. ambassador, the White House counsel, the Interior Secretary, Trump's chief of staff, Trump's favored replacement for chief of staff, and the Defense Secretary.

Absent key advisors who would, and did, severely protest, Trump turned Syria over to Russia, Iran, and the brutal Assad regime. Those fans who dare to support Trump's surrender are forced to sympathize with Putin, Assad, the Iranian mullahs, giving rise to questions concerning their loyalty to the U.S. and what country they are from.

He is doing all he can to create divisiveness across our land. He blames the Democrats for the deaths of two children who were in the hands of the border guard. Then he blamed the Democrats when an illegal immigrant killed a cop in Newton, CA. In other words, he is blaming the opposition party in Congress of murder.

Trump was not through. Next, he closed down the federal government over his border wall. Here, he persists in making himself look stupid as well as dangerous. First, he says he is proud to shut the government down over his border wall. Later he blames the Democrats.

A wall is a wall is a wall. But not to Trump. He does not know what the wall will be made of. He does not know how long it will be. He does not know where it will be built.

And no one knows how much money he is asking for because no one is around with whom to negotiate. Trump is alone in Washington. Everyone else, Senators, Congressmen/women, his advisors, even his family have left town for the holidays. It is almost as if they don't want to talk to him because, what is the use. He makes no sense.

So, he is alone, tweeting away because he has nothing else to do.

That is the perfect metaphor for the Trump administration.

 

Trump wants it both ways in Syria. He is withdrawing. When is he withdrawing? Is he withdrawing? He doesn't know, but to his fans he said, "They're all coming back and they're coming back now."

But he lost his SecDef when he said that. Republicans in Congress, our allies, and a majority of Americans all said he was wrong. So now he is saying, "We're slowly sending our troops back home to be with their families, while at the same time fighting Isis [Islamic State] remnants."

Our military genius doesn't seem to realize, you can't convince folks you are fighting the enemy while in the same breath telling them you want the troops to "slowly" withdraw. That statement makes no sense.

So, Trump dispatches his good friend, Senator Lindsey Graham, to try to make some sense about all this, because he sure as hell isn't.

"After discussions with the President and (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joseph) Dunford, I never felt better about where we are headed. I think we're slowing things down in a smart way," the South Carolina Republican told reporters at the White House. "But the goal has always been the same. To be able to leave Syria and make sure ISIS never comes back." Really? That is not what Trump said. He thinks we are fighting "remnants."

Graham added later: "I think we're in a pause situation where we are reevaluating what's the best way to achieve the President's objective of having people pay more and do more." If the goal is to destroy ISIS, that pause could last months, even years. They are up to 30,000 strong and strictly a guerilla force now, meaning they will not stand and fight and they no longer have territory to defend.

"He has not reversed his decision" to withdraw troops from Syria, Graham said. "The pause is to assess the effects of the conditions on the ground." Okay, fine.

"The President assured me he is going to make sure he gets the job done, and I assured him that nobody has done more to defeat ISIS than he has. We are inside the 10-yard line," Graham added.

Great, so for all intents and purposes, Trump has changed his mind. He is going to finish the job.

We will see. Trump is an avowed liar and he prefers to have it both ways. He says one thing, and his people say the very opposite. That is the pattern of his administration.

 

We won't have a clear Syria strategy, nor indeed a clear set of foreign policies in general, until a functioning adult takes over the presidency again. Until then, it's tantrumtown.

 

That statement is ludicrous. Assad has killed a half million of his own people in the fight, millions more have become refugees, whole cities have been destroyed, and you say there is no civil war. It is all a myth created by the media.

Fine, believe what you want, but I won't argue with pure nonsense. I have better things to do.

 

Give me one, a respected source.

Sure, Senators lie all the time, and they have their own agenda. Just ten Senators? Hardly a resolution with strong support.

 

Trump's confusion about his wall persists.

Now he contradicts himself in one sentence. “Some areas will be all concrete but the experts at Border Patrol prefer a Wall that is see through (thereby making it possible to see what is happening on both sides). Makes sense to me!” Trump tweeted.

 

Trump is dangerous. He is really dangerous.

 

My mother always used to say that stupid people are dangerous people. With Trump it's even worse because he is stupid and sociopathic.

 

No? But you are a Russian sympathizer.

So, now you are saying that Putin is irrelevant. Are you serious?

That presupposes Russia's good behavior. Interfering in our elections, attacking a sovereign nation and annexing a part of it is not good behavior. You and Trump are suggesting we just overlook this behavior.

You are proving my point.

A guerilla force of 30,000 soldiers capable of international terrorism is hardly a defeated force. When Trump ordered the immediate withdrawal of our troops from the fight against ISIS, that is the classic example of surrender.

Fortunately, he might be in the process of changing his mind. Problem is, he lies so damn much we can't trust anything he says.

 

Sure, whatever. I would rather we work together than go to war. That's just me though. You do you. You guys make me laugh. Saw that coming a mile away.

 

Whole cities have been destroy by US bombs and other actions. Why are we doing that? By what legal authority (if you're into legal authority) are we there?

 

Good we should get out of there. All war is bull ****. The mess in Syria was caused by us, through the CIA arming and supporting the sunni islamist terrorist groups, and the toppling of Saddam in Iraq. And once the two competing oil pipelines (one supported by Iran, the other Saudi Arabia) we acted on behest of the Saudi government to intervene. Obama drew his red line because his administration wanted to topple Assad in order to curb the influence of Iran. but the American people said no, and then a few years later he invaded that country anyway to fight ISIS but opted out of telling the American people about it. Fast forward to early 2017 and Trump decides to launch missiles at a "chemical weapons facility" in Damascus. Of course the chemical weapons attack that prompted Trump's decision was a complete farce and is easily debunked. Trump's reasons for pulling us out of Syria are suspect in my opinion. But I'm glad he's doing it because I think it's pretty obvious why we have 2000+ soldiers stationed over there. And fighting ISIS isn't a top priority. All war is bull ****.

 

Trump is backing down from his incredibly stupid decision to withdraw from Syria immediately, thus placing our allies in danger. Earlier he said, "They're all coming back and they're coming back now."

Then he made this conflicting statement. "We're slowly sending our troops back home to be with their families, while at the same time fighting Isis [Islamic State] remnants." Trump, who has no military experience, needs to be told you can't fight an enemy while telling him we are "slowly" withdrawing. That's our Commander-in-Chief.

Trump won't say it -- he never admits when he is wrong -- but this is what is happening now. Trump will give the Pentagon about four months to withdraw the nearly 2,000 military personnel stationed in Syria, The New York Times reported Monday, citing administration officials.

If destroying ISIS is the goal, four months could easily turn into twelve months or longer.

This is almost laughable. He boldly told his adoring base he was surrendering Syria, but, when it comes to correcting the debacle, he leaves it up "administration officials." The original rash decision cost him an extremely capable SecDef, caused dissension in the Republican ranks and loss of respect from our allies. A large majority of Americans strongly disagreed with the President. The very capable Marine general serving as SecDef was replaced with a pencil pusher and Trump says he is in no hurry to replace Mattis permanently.

Once again, Trump proves he is not only incompetent, he is also dangerous.

Mueller can't turn in his report fast enough.

 

I honestly didn't know there were so many Russian sympathizers among Trump's supporters. However, when one notes the cuddly relationship Trump has with Putin, it really isn't that surprising.

 

Every post you make is complete nonsense. I guess not supporting endless circular wars and illegal occupations is being a Russian sympathizer. If so I'm proud to be one.