Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat

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  1. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama put the unproven climate change hypothesis right there with terrorism and Trump is bringing us back to reality. The shift in focus in the Whitehouse is a game changer and now we can get to work rebuilding our country and fighting "radical Islamic terrorism" ( a phrase Obama refused to use). Trump impresses me more by the day.

    "The Trump administration will reverse course from previous Obama administration policy, eliminating climate change from a list of national security threats. The National Security Strategy to be released on Monday will emphasize the importance of balancing energy security with economic development and environmental protection, according to a source who has seen the document and shared excerpts of a late draft"

    “U.S. leadership is indispensable to countering an anti-growth, energy agenda that is detrimental to U.S. economic and energy security interests. Given future global energy demand, much of the developing world will require fossil fuels, as well as other forms of energy, to power their economies and lift their people out of poverty.”

    In some ways, [climate change] is akin to the problem of terrorism and ISIL,” Obama said at climate talks in Paris in 2015. During a weekly address, Obama said “Today, there is no greater threat to our planet than climate change.”

    Thank God this yo yo is gone!

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12...climate-change-as-a-national-security-threat/
     
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    She sums it up pretty well doesn't she.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, the perfect analysis.

    [Kyoto] is not a simple environmental issue where you can say it is an issue where the scientists are not unanimous” she said. “This is about international relations, this is about economy about trying to create a level playing field for big businesses throughout the world.To the EU, Kyoto is about the U.S.’s “unfair tax competition”, its government consistently refusing to match the Europeans' zeal for taxing energy use to modify behavior, particularly repressing automobile use and population.
     
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    What's the price of a gallon of gas in Europe going for these days? I know it's in liters, anyone got a price and conversion? It's not because it's more expensive to get it there, we know the deal.
    Eff globalism.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "According to data from the OECD, the average gas tax rate among the 34 advanced economies is $2.62 per gallon"
     
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    That's the tax. Wow. That's more than most of us in the US pay in total. :roflol:
     
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    Just another Trump fvck up. And all the *******s dance around Trump's campfire!
     
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    You mean reversing Obama's nonsense is a screw up?
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's what the left would love to see here if they had their way
     
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    Losing is hard, isn't it?
     
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    Thats fine I dont expect dumb people to understand or believe science, just have to strip all the damage Trump did after hes done playing the sandbox for 4 years.
     
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    Climate change is real and only total ass wipes don't see it.
     
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    80% of the price of petrol at the pump in the UK is tax.
    This hasn't changed since Global Warming however. This level of taxation predates it.

    Car Tax however has increased since Global Warming.
    Electric cars are tax free and big cars cost twice as much to tax as small cars.
     
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    And always has been since the beginning long before SUVs.
     
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    The example I heard on Cosmos made it really clear.

    Basically the earth has respiration much like a living organism, except for earth this is in the change of seasons and there is a natural balance in exchange of co2, pumping the amount that we are alters this balance like smoking cigarettes.

    Ice core drillings into ancient ice support human effects.
     
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    Yes climate changes and we all see it. What we don't see is man changing climate.
     
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    That is because you are willfully blind! You only see what your want to see.
     
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    Actually that's more descriptive of the alarmist that disregard all evidence to the contrary of the AGW hypothesis.
     
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    It's the exact opposite. We know CO2 is a greenhouse gas and we know humans are pumping lots of it into the atmosphere. What we don't see is a natural cause for it.
     
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    Just go back to kissing Trump's posterior. It suits you.
     
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    But, is it something to be concerned about to the tune of trillions of dollars? That's debatable.
     
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    Cause for what exactly? The 10 year"pause" in warming as true believers like to call it?
     
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    Can you identify a natural cause that explains the pause-up-pause-up pattern? Why is the pattern not down-up-down-up like what you'd expect if the Earth wasn't warming?
     
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    Every living thing is pumping CO2 gas into the air. It's been that way from the beginning. Volcanoes do far more than their share. The only difference is, you lefties claim that human beings are "unnatural" and shouldn't exhale. Sure we drive cars and heat our homes, but we also suppress naturally caused fires in the forest. Are solar flares on the sun natural?? They aren't even considered. Doesn't vegetation require CO2 for photosynthsis? You don't scare me at all lefties! You just try and make the case for gloalization. That's all.
     
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    The amount of extra CO2 being pumped into the atmosphere is directly proportional to the amount of fossil fuels being burned. It's a near 100% match.

    They also release aerosols which actually leads to a net cooling effect.

    First, I'm not a lefty. Second, in the context of discussion "natural" means non-human or non-anthroprogenic. It's just a definition. Third, the exhalation of CO2 by humans isn't even considered. The effect is too small to care about.

    By definition, yes. They are natural. And yes, they are considered.

    Yes, it does. Humans are altering the balance of CO2 sinks. In academic jargon the anthroprogenic source and sink changes due to agriculture, deforestation, etc. is called land use changes. This is considered, but the effect is still small relative to the other anthroprogenic sources and sinks.

    I'm not trying to scare you. It's nothing to be afraid of. And I really don't care about globalization or the political aspects of climate change.
     

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