Trump trial dates and the election

Judge sets May 2024 trial date for Donald Trump in documents case | CNN Politics

So there's two certain, one likely and a fourth possible (Georgia) set of indictments. Two federal cases, two state cases.

So Trumps best chance to deal with federal charges seemed to be to delay the trial until after the election and then have the DOJ drop the case when he gains control. This wouldn't work for the state charges, but at this point the state charges seem less certain to stick.

Smith wanted to have the documents federal trial before the republican primaries. Trump's team asked for it to be delayed until after the election. Cannon's response? She doesn't care about the election, only the large amount of evidence to go through, and she put the trial around May 20th, around the time republican primaries would have determined the likely candidate for the July convention.

Meanwhile, Bragg's business records state case is set for March.

It just leaves me shaking my head. So if Trump goes to prison after winning, I guess his VP would take over. I suspect he wouldn't win due to diminished appeal to moderates, but it's possible, and the fact that it seems possible is surreal.

 

A few things here. 1) I'm impressed she was objective enough to set a May trial date. It takes away some of my concerns about her. 2) There will still probably be delays pushing it past May, just being realistic. 3) I really don't think this case will end before the election. I hope it does, but I don't think it will.

 

I suspect Trump's lawyers will do what they can to delay it, but this judge doesn't seem inclined to go along with political reasoning and doesn't seem to put up with bullshit excuses... so my best guess it it will be resolved later than June, but probably/hopefully before the general election. Then there are the other trials - maybe the Bragg one could be done before the primaries...

 

I think the trial will start before June, but I don't know if it will conclude before November. Fingers crossed that it does. Of course, we've got likely charges in Georgia coming up, and likely federal charges around the fake elector scheme, both INSANELY strong cases, but I don't even know if this will wrap up before November. Bragg's is probably the weakest one out of all of those, not to say it isn't strong, and the least likely to sway indepentent voters IMO.

 

Judge Cannon cannot afford to be subjective, the world is watching her and her career is at stake. She's not going to risk everything for Donald Trump, though.

 

In what info are you relying, to think that judge Cannon "doesn't seem to put up with bullshit excuses?" Just the date that she picked? She basically split the difference between the prosecution's request for a December 2023 start, and the defense suggestion, of a theoretical November 2024 start to the case. And that doesn't mean that there can't or won't be further delays.

Still, once the indictment was served, I have always believed that there should be time to resolve this case, before the election (and certainly before the earliest that Trump could conceivably re-assume office, in January 2025). I wonder how much of a gap, though, Cannon might leave between a verdict and sentencing. Because what seemed possible to me was that Trump might secure the GOP nomination, then find himself secured by a federal prison, prior to the election. (Actually, I would expect a minimum security one, in which the prisoners have rooms, without bars, not cells: the country clubs, of the prison circuit).

Anyway, the worry is that Trump would try, after being sworn in, to pardon himself. I would be hesitant to lay any bets, where the SCOTUS would come down on that (though I would lean slightly towards thinking they wouldn't let it fly). Can you imagine, our President in prison, needing to conduct all his meetings there? I imagine there would be a lot of Zoom calls.

What you bring up, about the Vice President filling in, never occurred to me. But even now, I can't imagine Trump handing away the Presidency, even if he were locked up. He would insist on serving, from prison, don't you think? And who would force him not to-- Republicans in Congress?
That's a good one!

 

Seems to me that our govt being led from a prison cell would prolly be the most honest and accurate depiction of it. Of course, that will never happen, because honesty and accuracy do not have any place within our govt ...but its a nice thought. Or fantasy, perhaps.

 

I think she learned her lesson the last time she tried that ****.

 

Trump will not win election. 40% voter might still vote for Trump either he is in prison or not. But majority Americans will not. MAGA can dream all they want. Trump will not be POTUS again.

 

Every time Trump is indicted again, his poll numbers go up. And so does my 401k. Just saying...

 

I don’t think your 401k and Trump indictments are connected. Trump indictments are connected with his poll numbers. It reminds me of Richard Nixon’s brag that he selected George McGovern as his opponent. If Trump gets the nomination, the Democrats win. You can take that to the bank.

 

Trump's multiple legal waterloos being featured throughout the election season guarantees that, as the evidence-based prosecutions proceed under the strictures of our legal system, a victim-card-flailing Trump will concentrate on his show biz shtick to wee wee up his worshipers as he savages democracy, public servants, and law and order.

This egomaniacal indulgence presents a serious challenge to Republican candidates across the nation who are already burdened by intrusive states abrogating reproductive freedom and discriminating against Americans based upon gender identity. The increasingly authoritarian perversion of the GOP is noxious to libertarian-leaning conservatives.

Trump will suck all the oxygen out of Republicans' campaigns, and force them to run for or against Trumpery. Mealy-mouth will not be a viable option.

 

I would be more concerned about what this legal mess is doing to the Democratic process than doing a victory dance over how your side is going to win the election.

 

I am not disposed to celebratory terpsichore, but am edified by the confirmation that no one is above the law in America.

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Absent his being held responsible for his actions, the chronic Loser would lose in 2024 anyway.

 

Does “Not above the law,” apply to elite Democrats? Does it apply Biden, his son and his cabinet members?

 

Indeed.

When do you think that Congressional Republicans will have credible evidence to impeach the President or incarcerate his relatives, rather than just blowing gas?

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Of course, neither AG Garland nor Special Counsel Smith have ever been Democrats, and the vast majority of witnesses against Trump are Republicans, so it's difficult to pretend his being held to justice is a partisan endeavor.

 

Yes, if his son took the millions of dollars from multiple foreign government sources, using his last name as a reason for the payments. There are also claims that Joe Biden was sitting on at least 20 phone calls and met in person with some of Hunter’s clients. If you think Joe Biden spent all of his time talking about the weather, which is latest Democrat excuse, you are drinking Biden Kool Aid.

 

So, you have no idea when Congressional Republicans will stop blowing gas about the President and his family, and contrive credible evidence to impeach and/or indict?

 

It’s definitely possible Trump could win. Mainly because most Americans don’t want neither Trump nor Biden to run again. 57% of all Americans don’t want Biden to run again, 58% don’t want Trump to run again either. Questions 14 and 15.


https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/pvpz4fi6ym/econTabReport.pdf


A rematch is something most Americans want nothing to do with. Then you have this: “Poll: Most Americans say Biden and Trump are not 'fit' to serve as president.”


https://www.yahoo.com/news/poll-mos...-not-fit-to-serve-as-president-133443536.html


So yes, it’s possible for Trump to win. 2024 boils down for most Americans as an election between two disliked and two unwanted candidates to become the next president. How this plays out, who knows? Today, considering the MOE of plus or minus 3 points, both Biden and Trump are basically tied in the head to head matchup.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html


I think the trials if held prior to the election will give Biden the edge. But even if Biden wins, he’ll be an unwanted president. No public support beyond his Democratic Party supporters. He’ll be a president that most Americans didn’t want, but had to hard swallow. It could be tough sledding when it comes to governing.

 

Okay, Joe Biden is a lamb of Jesus and totally innocent. Happy?

 

If that is your opinion, so be it.

I had asked when Congressional Republicans would stop blowing gas about the President and his family, and contrive credible evidence to impeach and/or indict?

 

An accurate appraisal of the plight of the electorate.

It seems the ideal opportunity to break the duopoly's stronghold, but voting third-party means electing one of the unwanted candidates, quite likely the less desirable.

 

I’ve been known for voting third party when I don’t like either major party candidate. Third party gives me the option to officially register my vote as being against both major party candidates. I was one of 8 million folks who voted third party in 2016, 6% of those who voted which was very high considering the normal average for third party voters is 1.5%. It was closer to the normal 1.5% in 2020 as 1.8% voted third party. If there is a rematch, I expect the third party vote to be high once again as it was in 2016. The other option is just to stay home and not vote when both major party choices disgusts one. You can tell this by the 54% VAP, 59% VEP voter turnout in 2016 when another election was between two disliked and unwanted candidates to be the next president. Voter turnout in 2020 was 62% VAP, 66% VEP. So, a lot more folks got off their butts and voted in 2020 when Biden was liked, the idea was to get rid of Trump. Will they sit out 2024 in a rematch, I think a lot will. But one never knows for sure.

The question I always had/have as a swing voter, non-affiliated, less to non-partisan voter is why both major parties insist on nominating someone they know most Americans don’t want? I guess because they can.

 

I rarely ever voted third party, and never would do so again unless the third party candidate had a realistic chance of winning.

I have never confronted an election where I regarded the undesirability of the two major candidates as being precisely equal. I can always arrive at a reluctant preference, no matter how slight. I regard casting a vote for a non-viable third party candidate as wasting it and possible worse, facilitating the election of the less desirable of the two as a practical consequence.

 

That’s one way to look at it. When faced with two unwanted and disliked major party candidates, two candidates I want to lose, I’ll do my best to make both lose even if it is casting a ballot against both for a candidate that has no chance of winning. I refuse to help either one win. They can get their help from those who nominated them as was the case in 2016 and perhaps again in 2024. The major parties knew who they nominated was, 2016 or will be, 2024 unwanted to become the next president by most Americans. If that is the game both major parties want to play, let them play it without my help or participation. It’s their choice. They could either listen to most of America or choose to ignore most of America. Whichever candidate, party loses in 2024 will have only themselves to blame for the loss. They knew their candidates were disliked and not wanted to begin with.


I have no problem with folks voting for the lesser of two evils, the least worse candidate or the candidate one wants to lose the least. Not win, but lose the least. For me, this just encourages the two major parties to nominate candidates no one outside of them want. Dregs from the bottom of the barrel so to speak. The 2024 winner will be the candidate most voters wanted to lose the least. Not win, but lose the least.