Trumps tax returns show he paid NO taxes in 2020, committee says

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  1. Bluesguy

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    We don't tax wealth on the federal level and only on real property on the state and local level. I can't understand why some think we do or should as almost every country that has tried has failed. How would you even assess the wealth of every American every year to come up with some tax bill on it, the courts would be INUNDATED with lawsuits challenging them and judges would be spending all their waking hours trying to figure them out. You know long it takes to get an estate probated and finalized for tax purposes?
     
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    No obviously you do.
     
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    Uh no, when the judge said publish, I took it as make them public….
    I don’t think I understand your point then. Was it illegal like you claimed or legal like the judge said,
     
  4. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Hunter Biden's laptop absolutely needs to be investigated. The people have a right to know if a sitting president was taking bribes from Communist China.
     
  5. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    If the judge said make the returns public, then he needs to be impeached for inciting a crime.
     
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    But you said that the legislature can't carry out these kinds of investigations and that they're unconstitutional? *LOL*

    Why the crazy 180?
     
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    Err, what?
     
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    Shouldn't there be a legitimate factual basis for an investigation like this, or is it OK because it's Biden?
     
  9. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Or maybe you’re just wrong? nah, impossible right? Lol
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    He wasn’t president then
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    Quote the judge telling them to publish the returns.
     
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    The activities detailed on the laptop date back to his term as VP and of course he was always a future Presidential candidate.
     
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    I never claimed he told them to, just that he said they could
     
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    Should it be illegal to run for Office if you made money in China?
     
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    Then quote him telling them they could make them public.
     
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    Depends on how you make it and then what you do with it DUH.
     
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    “It might not be right or wise to publish the returns,” McFadden wrote, but the House Ways and Means Committee has the “right to do so.”
     
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    That was stating Trumps objection. Here is what the Judge stated

    "In fact, a committee has published tax information only once under the current iteration of § 6103(f)—in 2014 after an investigation into the IRS’s discriminatory treatment of conservative organizations. See generally George Yin, Preventing Congressional Violations of Taxpayer Privacy, 69 Tax Lawyer 103, 108–113 (2015). No party has identified a previous request under § 6103(f) for the tax information of a former or sitting President. We are in uncharted territory. "

    And then makes the contradictory statement trying to get himself from out of the middle

    "If Chairman Neal’s true interest in the former President’s tax returns is indeed to better understand the Presidential Audit Program, he will doubtless be able to accomplish this objective without publishing the returns. Public disclosure of another’s tax returns is a grave offense, and prior committee chairmen have wisely resisted using § 6103(f) to publicize individuals’ returns. Anyone can see that publishing confidential tax information of a political rival is the type of move that will return to plague the inventor. "

    Yet does not cite in the law that allows such a disclosure.

    Where is it? Cite the US Code which authorizes such a release vis-a-vis the clear and unequivocal cites I and others have provided.

    Here again

    (f)Disclosure to Committees of Congress
    return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

    1) return or return information specified in such request. Such Chief of Staff may submit such return or return information to any committee described in paragraph (1), except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

    2) return or return information by a resolution of the Senate or the House of Representatives or, in the case of a joint committee (other than the joint committee specified in paragraph (1)) by concurrent resolution, the Secretary shall furnish such committee, or a duly authorized and designated subcommittee thereof, sitting in closed executive session, with any return or return information which such resolution authorizes the committee or subcommittee to inspect. Any resolution described in this paragraph shall specify the purpose for which the return or return information is to be furnished and that such information cannot reasonably be obtained from any other source.

    3) returns and return information at such time and in such manner as may be determined by such chairman or chief of staff. Any return or return information obtained by or on behalf of such committee pursuant to the provisions of this subsection may be submitted by the committee to the Senate or the House of Representatives, or to both. The Joint Committee on Taxation may also submit such return or return information to any other committee described in paragraph (1), except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

    4) returns and return information at such time and in such manner as may be determined by such chairman and ranking minority member. Any return or return information obtained by or on behalf of such committee or subcommittee pursuant to the provisions of this subsection may be submitted by the committee to the Senate or the House of Representatives, or to both, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer, shall be furnished to the Senate or the House of Representatives only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

    5) return or return information under this section may disclose such return or return information to a committee referred to in paragraph (1) or any individual authorized to receive or inspect information under paragraph (4)(A) if such person believes such return or return information may relate to possible misconduct, maladministration, or taxpayer abuse.

    Inspect not publish. Not required for any legislative purpose.

    So what earth shattering had to know information do you now know?
     
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    Trump wasn't president in 2015, but Ways and Means still wanted his tax returns. However, Creepy Joe was the VP, then.
     
  20. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    According to the very plain text of the law, I'm not wrong.
     
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    There has yet to be a legitimate factual basis to investigate Trump. Now, you care if there's a legitimate factual basis?...lol
     
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    You mean like Ivanka?
     
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    LOL....that is quite funny!
     
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    If the judge told Ways and Means that it was legal to publish the returns, he broke the law for encouraging a crime. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
     
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    Ivanka was president? Link?
     

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