U.S. Altered Himars Rocket Launchers to Keep Ukraine From Firing Missiles Into Russia

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  1. Durandal

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    You need to learn history. Novgorod was the capital of the Novgorod Republic:

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novgorod_Republic

    Do you want to go back to that? I suspect what remains of Russia after the Putler regime collapses will be about that size and within roughly the same boundaries.
     
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    Not exactly Modern technology .. rigging up old recon aircraft .. could do that into the USA just as easily .. no understand you what talk bout once again :)
     
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    No one talked about "kick out". Again, you are judging by the United States, where "Kick Out" is used everywhere - from a homeowner in a difficult situation to a CIA employee with his own opinion. (e.g. Snowden)
    Russia, unlike the United States, is a free country. And no one is going to kick people out. But no one can also forbid people to travel anywhere in the world at their request. Once again, Russia, unlike the United States, is a free country.
     
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    So what? The USA was a British colony. So what?
     
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    His hero days are behind him. He will always be a monster for killing civilians by the thousands.
     
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    Russians don't even know the meaning of a free country.
     
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    So your desperate reach fell way short.
     
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    A free country for Russians is a natural state. So they don't talk about it all the time. Just like a person who is natural to breathe does not talk about it every second.
    In the US people talk about freedom all the time because for them freedom is a dream.
     
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    You said to avoid arrest they should leave. Are you saying the support for LGBTQ will be accepted once California joins Russia. Companies will be allow to continue to offer the same benefits to same sex couples. Business will be allow to cater to and support the gay community. Russia will allow the recognizing of same sex marriage? You are implying it is much more free than the US.
     
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    Was he ever a hero?
     
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    In Russia, it is customary to follow the laws of the country. And everyone who complies with the law cannot be subjected to repression. Once again - in contrast to the United States, where the police kill people on the streets. Peaceful people are killed, and even children. The law is respected in Russia. No one can be subjected to repression if he does not break the law.
    Another question regarding criminals. If you have committed a crime, according to the norms of Russian legislation, you will be arrested and, by a court decision, you will be punished.
    If you don't like the laws adopted and supported by society, you can immigrate to any country.
     
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    Sure but not to me or, apparently, you.
     
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    No point in repeating what I already wrote.
     
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    It's true. It makes no sense.
     
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    Cool story, bro.
     
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    It certainly does not look like Russia respects Ukraine's laws.
     
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    I felt there was a need to make a slight clarification here. The HIMARS launcher is able to launch several different missile variants (e.g., ATACMS, GMLRS, ER GMLRS, ER ATACMS, among others with completely different profiles). Newer missile variants may well be developed in the future. Some of the most recent missile variants have significantly longer range (e.g., denoted by ER = Extended-Range). Whenever a new missile variant is developed, HIMARS launcher software needs to be updated to accommodate the new variant. Before these new missile variants can be fired from the HIMARS launcher, the updated software must obviously be installed on that HIMARS launcher. If you load a new missile variant onto a HIMARS without the updated software, when the missile identifies itself (version) to the launcher, the launcher won't know what that variant is, and won't fire (i.e., Error message). Ukraine has not been supplied with these longer ranged missiles, so the fact their HIMARS launcher software hasn't been updated does not affect or reduce the capabilities of their ATACMS/GMLRS missile variants. There is no need to update the HIMARS hardware. It wouldn't make sense to have to alter the hardware of every single launcher throughout the world for logistical reasons. The wiring all remains the same.

    Normally, at an appropriate time, all HIMARS launchers get updated with the latest software (e.g., when they come in for routine maintenance). These newer missile variants are quite recent, so it isn't surprising Ukraine's HIMARS launchers' software hasn't been updated. The ATACMS missiles and GMLRS missiles supplied to Ukraine were not modified in any way. Apparently, the software updates to the HIMARS launchers necessary to fire the newer, longer-range ER variants hasn't been updated. It is misleading to say the HIMARS provided to Ukraine have been modified so as to reduce their range. Rather it is more appropriate to say they HAVEN'T been modified/updated to fire the newer longer-range variants. It is their LACK OF MODIFICATION (i.e., update) which prevents them from using the newer longer-range variants. This is analogous to you getting the latest version of Excel and it doesn't run on your outdated Windows version, but you can still run/fire the previous version of Excel. They are still capable of firing the missile variants supplied to Ukraine out to the full range capability of those missile variants.

    Other NATO (and non-NATO) nations possess these longer-range missiles. As an example, Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Estonia were recently supplied (or are in the process of purchasing) the newer ER variants. It is not clear (from the article) WHY the HIMARS supplied to Ukraine haven't been updated. There could be several reasons, or it could be (as the author implied) INTENTIONAL. For instance, it could be they are in use and there hasn't been an opportunity to do the updates. I'm not even sure the Ukrainians know how to update them, which would mean pulling them off the line to be updated in Poland or some other location outside of Ukraine if NATO assistance were necessary. It obviously isn't a priority, as they don't have the newer longer-range variants. It could be these HIMARS hadn't been updated yet, before they were hastily sent to Ukraine. It could also be (as the author implied) INTENTIONAL in order to prevent Ukraine from purchasing and using the longer-range variants from other nations. Suffice it to say, it would be quite easy to update the Ukrainian HIMARS software in the event they receive these newer variants. It is only slightly more difficult than updating to the latest version of Windows. Obviously, procedures necessary to update the HIMARS software exist. Your average 8th grader could figure it out from the procedure, and it could even be done remotely with an internet connection.

    Bottom line, the author was misleading to say the systems provided to Ukraine have been modified. A more accurate statement would be the HIMARS provided to Ukraine HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED yet, to accept the newer longer-range missiles (which Ukraine doesn't even have at the moment).
     
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    Why are you so obsessed with this idea (that you have no evidence whatsoever to support.
     
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    Two pages in and @Destroyer of illusions hasn't defended pedophiles yet the way he defends Scott Ritter. I guess it just takes time.
     
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    Missing the big picture, no one wins a nuclear war. The fall out of a few nukes and the planet is ratshit.
     
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    Old school. Is this current military info or historical Cold-War era data?

    Cruise missiles nukes;

    "Putin announced an "unstoppable" nuclear-powered "global cruise missile" that has "practically unlimited" range, then showed an animation of the device bobbing and weaving around the globe. He also played a computer animation of a high-speed, nuke-armed submarine drone blowing up ships and coastal targets."

    https://www.businessinsider.com/how-satan-2-icbm-nuclear-weapon-works-2018-3
     
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    This is current data.


    I'm not sure you know what a cruise missile is because you would have laughed at that announcement.
    Cruise missiles are terrain following low level, (hiding from radar) strikes. They don't have a jet engine that would work in space and they couldn't carry enough fuel to give it unlimited range. They are limited to 1000 miles at best.
     
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    Not in Putin's cartoons, there they are circling around the World.
     
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    Which is why its a cartoon
     
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    This time the idiots in the White House are right. Ruscist have the right to destroy civilians infrastructure in Ukraine, have the right to kill Ukrainian Nazi women, Ukrainian Nazi children and Ukrainian Nazi infants, but Ukrainians have no right to hurt Ruscists.
     

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